SANTE MENTALE ; UN SUJET ENCORE TABOU EN NBA ?
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La santé mentale en jeu : Un sujet encore tabou en NBA ? Discussion avec les préparateurs mentaux, Nicolas Raimbault et Florian Hessique
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And even if the table wasn’t big enough, we’re going to welcome another guest, a specialist in sports and mental preparation. His name is Nicolas Rimbaud, if he’s with us, he’s on Skype. Hello Nicolas. Hello Sylvain, hello everyone. Thank you for taking the time to be with us
In this show. We talk a lot about sports and sports performance, but we know very well that performance comes with a preparation, whether it’s physical, athletic, and mental. It was the opportunity with the NBA news and the phrases of some players, Jamoran, Zayn, Williamson
And Draymond Green, who are distinguished in a slightly different way, but just as important in the NBA, to make the point a little bit on this difficulty that we are observing today. When I say today, maybe it was already observed before, but for which there is a bigger focus
Now. I would like you to be able to show us a little bit what you are doing today. in your function and in what you observe regarding this theme and the difficulties that players and players can encounter. Already, it’s no longer a taboo. For years, as you say at the moment,
Maybe it already existed before, it already existed before, but we dared not talk about it. And we considered that the psychological or mental dimension, it was perhaps something of the order of weakness, of vulnerability, that we had to leave that aside. And in fact,
There were more and more, in basketball, but not only, of steps that allowed to show that in fact it was a real subject. Recently, since October 10th, there’s a documentary called Strong which talks about the mental health of high level athletes who just came out. And
We also had in different types of sports, which are rather medialized, more and more athletes who dared to say that it was difficult by asking themselves, is high level sport suffering? And suddenly, I have the impression that the taboo is breaking and I think it’s really,
Really a good thing because… What’s important to keep in mind is that high-level basketball players, and especially those who are a ticket, in terms of what you are dealing with, especially in the show, are people who face important challenges. Mediatic challenges, economic challenges, multiple
Pressure challenges, and often, and that’s what I do with the performers I accompany, they forget to be focused on the game, by being very or too focused on the challenge. And for me, there is already a bias that arises, and that we have not dealt with in the past, and now
That’s it, we’re getting out. When you say it’s taboo, it’s because it’s a principle that existed before, in the 80s and 90s basketball, but that is now expressed a little more, and that also allows people to express their frustrations. You’re talking about issues, what are the additional
Or complementary issues that you have seen with high-level athletes and maybe with those you accompany? There are also some issues of image, and who says that? It’s about ego. I’ve been with the women’s basketball team for three seasons. And I see that in this team, there have been
Exceptional athletes, fantastic players. I also accompany coaches, coaches of BETCLIC ELITE And each time, for each of them, there is the image. What image will I be able to project? And I saw each of them, when we are in the tunnel behind the locker rooms. where
You can’t see that they’re sometimes in the hard, the face tight, crying, and as soon as the curtain opens, hop, that’s it, we smile, a fraction of a second, etc. And in fact, it always brings this question of what we have to give to the world, on the superficial side,
Versus what we feel deep inside. And for me, for high level athletes, but for entrepreneurs and for performers, the real Libership is to be able to say, OK, there are times when it’s going less well, OK, there are times when I’m more in the hard, and it doesn’t make me someone
Who’s weak, quite the opposite, because it’s part of it. of these cycles that NBA basketball players can meet. You were talking about Wemby earlier or others. At one point, we’re at the top, at one point, we’re less in it, then it starts again. And in fact, we only do that
Throughout the season. On the level of sports performances, but also on the level of what we experience from a psychological point of view. It’s exactly the same thing. To be able to put it, to carry it, to share it, I find that it grows and that it also allows you to
Take away this weight that you can have on your shoulders. Stid, a word with you on the notion of mental health. We say it and we repeat it, a long French international career. Were these principles that you took into account at your time, whether in preparation, in season or
In post season, or were you very stubborn and never talked about your personal difficulties? It’s very good that you ask the question because I wanted to react to that. I come from a neighborhood in the 9 to 11. where you couldn’t show your weaknesses since you were little. So, I…
I’m talking about myself. When I was playing, there was no way, there was no way that I could ask someone for help. It was only coming from me. I knew that if I performed, even if I wasn’t
Good, I had to perform myself. I found the tips for it. And I always succeeded. You can see my career. Sometimes… When I was fired from the game, and I went to Paris, and they said I was fired, I always found the resources to say, you want to see, I’m not fired, you’ll
See. I finished my career at 15 points average. And then I said, I’m going to stop, like that I’m going to close, excuse me, the term, the mouth to everyone. And I always had things like that, where I couldn’t ask for help from anyone, it was only me, it depended only on
Me. Now that I’m a coach, well, I tell you… I need a mental coach. I need one, because it doesn’t depend on me anymore. I come, I give things, and if the guys don’t do it, that’s when I say to myself, it’s not possible. And
Now I need, I say it as a coach, I need, and I know I’m going to do it, a mental coach. You need your players too, or your players, excuse me, individually. Yes, the new generation. Maybe the old generation, but the younger generation needs it. When my son asked me what I thought
About the mental preperator, I said to myself, why do you need a mental preperator? Because I thought, the guy is like me. And in fact, no, he needs it. That’s why he started with a mental preperator. And it’s the new generation, they really need it. Florian Essick, we were
Talking about the show intro, you’re with Marie-Eve Paget and maybe other athletes. How do you react to the idea of the old and the new basketball, with the idea that we have to support these new generations so that they can have a balanced career? Yes, everything has been said. There
Has been a real awareness from the end of the 2000s about the importance of the mental. Before, we were focused on training, on physical performance in particular. and we realized that what was happening in the head had a direct impact on the physical, on the performances. That’s important.
After that, we are really in a new generation. This generation is really sensitive to all the mental aspects that can be there. Sometimes maybe too much, because I think there are maybe players and players who listen a little too much. Where, at a time a little different,
At the time of Steed… or others, we listened less. There were positive things that could come out of it. But I think it’s important to be able to externalize things, that it’s not a taboo. Now what’s a little boring is that in France we’re still on something very marginal.
Indeed, Bourges offers the services of a mental trainer, the women’s team, but it’s true that… the structures have trouble accepting that. There are many players and players who individually take mental trainers, but the structures still have trouble accepting this part. Marie-Eve
Pagé, did she come to you or vice versa? We knew each other before and she felt the need. So she expressed it. Yes, that’s it. OK, very well. Yes, Melissa? After, I don’t think it’s something new. It has always existed. Mental accompaniment, I mean, when we are athletes.
That’s why companies today love athletes, because athletes… We face a lot of things, as we said earlier. You’re going to be in the locker room or you’re going to be before the show. You can be in the mall, but as soon as you get there in front of the light, when you have
To perform, we manage to have a very quick decline. We manage to put some things aside. The mental aspect has always existed. The mental component has always existed. It’s just that today we talk about it a lot more. It’s open, whereas before it was taboo because we didn’t always
Want to recognize things. But there are a lot of clubs that invest in it. At the time, Avinov in 2013, we had a mental trainer. for the team and who could also intervene. It’s just that we didn’t talk about it. The coaches have been accompanied for years. It’s just that things
Before, we didn’t really talk about it. But today, I agree that we’re going to enter an era where I find the young generation super fragile. But fragile because today they are exposed to a lot of things. Some take it for what they are not. There is the influence of
The media, of Instagram. Let’s go back to the current generation and maybe we can go to the NBA. When we talk about Zion Williamson, so very young player, very young player. Draymond Green is a little younger, but he’s still active. Nicolas, this notion of fragility
Regarding the challenges that these players may face today, the media exposure, the contracts, the demands of the high level athlete who can win everything, how do we support him and what principles can we offer him so that he can meet all his objectives? We already accompany him
By being vigilant, as Florian said earlier, he shouldn’t be too chit-chat and he shouldn’t listen too much. A Zion Williamson or someone who has a huge potential, his mental trainer, his coach, his companion, his mentor, we call him whatever we want, for me he’s there to
Do two things. He’s there, yes, to comfort, to bring warmth when he’s in the hard and it’s difficult, but he’s also there to kick his ass in the back and boost him when he tells himself
Bullshit that he doesn’t do what he needs to do, etc. So for me, it must be someone who has the ability to really tell you things. And then, it’s someone who absolutely has to work
On identity, on who I am and who I want to become, and why I do what I do. For me, of course there can be topics of emotion, visualization, etc. but for me it’s so little, so little essential,
The most important thing in my eyes is to help the athlete around him. And if we take Zion Williamson, if we see the evolution of… you who got it versus the potential it has versus
The fragility at the level of his knees who are you and what do you want to put in place to become the incarnation of the potential you are because a potential is beautiful we saw
A hell of a lot of potential it’s just someone who has to reveal on the field and for me there is really this notion there I challenge and I comfort I comfort and I challenge question
Paul for Nicolas yes To come back to the mental more broadly, we often say that we have the mental or we don’t have it. But Djokovic just gave an interview 60 minutes ago where he explained
That it was not a gift, it was something that he worked on daily, and in particular he talked about a lot of inner breathing. What can you tell us about that? Well, first of all, thank you for your question because it is very important, because we could believe that it is something
That is not very workable. However, it is trainable, it is a muscle that trains, it is the muscle of the mind. I like that you, Joko, make this reference to the subject of breathing, because in the West, we have trouble with transcendental meditation practices. On the other hand, we
Have a tool that is at our disposal, which is very simple, it is breathing, and in particular the fact of putting in place conscious breathing. And conscious breathing is, since earlier when we were on the plateau, we are not paying attention to the fact that we are breathing. It’s just
That I pay attention to the fact that I am breathing. I just did one. And to link it to mental health, Chinese doctors say that if you do 300 conscious breaths every day, you will never be sick.
So yes, it’s a training, and yes, we can have tools that can seem very basic and very simple, but so much the better, because there is no reason for the mental to be something complicated and inaccessible, and sometimes meditation is a bit difficult to access when it’s not our
Culture. How do we deal with the fact that the players are in the game? In NBA, for example, we know that each player has a mental preparator to title. And when we take the case of Raymond Green, who has already been fired three times this season, and who has more than two million
Dollars in fines for suspicious acts on the pitch, and who doesn’t calm down, since the strangulation with Rudy Gobert was a few weeks ago, there is still a right-wing that is… that was given to us on Kitsch. How do we do it, Nicolas, and maybe everyone else on the
Pitch, to ensure that what we put in place can have a form of result? It’s really about dosing subtly the subject of intensity and aggressiveness. Our sport, originally basketball, was Naismith, I’m not going to go through the whole history, but it was to be able to control your body,
To control your movements, the principle of faults, the principle of the markets, etc. And at the same time… Our sport is becoming more and more athletic. And Draymond Green, if I played again, I would love to have him on the pitch with me. Except that his thing
Is how he manages his cursor between the benefit that he can bring, which is made of high intensity, maybe a little bit of intoxication, of big physical impact, but without going beyond. And it’s all the subtlety to work with. And for me, it really has to go through real phrases, phrases
Of introspection, working with him on why do you do what you do? Who are you? How can you bring your added value? and then a joint work with, that’s why I love working with the staff and the coaches in parallel, on you coach, what are you waiting for from this player? What
Do you ask him until you ask him to go? And where are you trying to get him to master what he’s doing? I think it’s really this regulation there because it could be easy for us outside
To say yeah he’s a pain in the ass, he can’t handle it, but at the same time he’s a very intense player, very athletic, and that’s why he’s doing the career he does. Simply, there
Is a need to return to the meaning of why he does what he does and who he is and who he wants to be. Melissa, I’m going to make you react, and you might have a question to finish
For Nicolas. Stid, it’s the same for you two, you were in the locker room not long ago. Stid, you coach, when you have a teammate or a player of this caliber and who has so much difficulty
Managing his emotions, what do you do? And how do you do it? So, go ahead. Thank you. Melissa, go ahead. I always say, to have lived a little bit both, to have been coach. and being an
Indiv coach and being a player. There is one thing I don’t forget, at the end there is the human. It means that today we will interpret all the actions of Draymond Green and say that it’s completely crazy etc. Except that when we analyze a little bit and it repeats itself
Quite often, I always try to tell myself that even when it was my players who had complicated moments, I try to understand what is wrong with their personal life. Because I think that before… Before everything that happens on the pitch, we just express the frustrations we have in
Life. Some people have real problems, some people have real worries. It can be family, it can be personal, it’s very strong. Sometimes we can’t contain these emotions, we can’t contain these frustrations. And it can come out with, we touch you once, it’s something that makes
You break a cable, you hit someone, you take someone, and in fact, I generally never try to see the problem of action. I try to understand what’s going on. When I have a player who is
Going to have this kind of action, I will try to take it away. I will try to discuss with him, but above all, before all that, I try to understand who the players are, to know their
History, because they all have a different experience, and that we can’t do it like it doesn’t exist. Everyone has a different past, everyone has a different experience, we have to take it into account. And when this kind of thing happens, before judging or accusing or condemning, we
Have to try to understand why, and I think there are always reasons behind these actions. Steed, so the former teammate you were and then the coach? How do you manage these kinds of cases? Well, I don’t know if I’ll go fast, but it’s a very good debate. Because as a coach, all
The coaches we see here, we all know basketball. Some are more experienced than others. But the problem is management. That’s why I wanted to go down into the small divisions to work on management. So what I learned when I went to my DES was to do personality profiling.
It’s called Comcolors, I think Nicolas knows it. And when I have a player, first of all, what Melissa said is to know what his life is like, how he lives and all that. After, Comcolors
Is a tool that allows us to know more or less how people are. I’m not going to express myself because I know how. Don’t worry, I’ll use it. Yann Fontaine would be very angry with your explanation. So, personality profile means that you understand how the person works and all
That and you get into his color, basically, to be able to talk to him. Okay? And first, before doing that, you have to know yourself. Today, I know myself. I know that when I’m in… I’m in the… What’s it called? I’m in stress. When I’m stressed, I know what I’m
Asking my players. I mean, I’m a player who’s violent, so I ask my players to be even better in… I don’t remember the word. In… In what they produce. OK, that works. Very good. And actually, today I forgot… You rely on tools, you rely on tools to identify yourself at the
Moment and to identify your players’ reactions. to adapt to them and to them to adapt to you? Today I have a player, everyone knows him, Melvin Govendi. The former player, the former Wemba Niyama. Before Wembanyama, there was Melvin Govendi, the son of Sandra Dijon, who had a
Very, very big potential, who went from everywhere, he went to Cholet, he went to Nancy and all that. It was a very, very big potential. And no coach knew how to manage him. Today he is with me, everyone was telling me, no, don’t take him, he’s crazy, all that, no, no. I don’t
Manage him. I just put him in his color, I talk to him and the guy is making a season for me. It’s very interesting, I don’t know the colors, I learn.