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In this podcast episode, we sit down with HYROX athletes, Chris and Clemens. Here, we cover everything you need to know about HYROX competitions, how they balance being athletes with work and home life, and their top tips for wellbeing.
TIMELINE:
00:05 – Meet the podcasters
00:38 – How did you meet each other?
04:20 – Biggest goal for next 12 months
04:53 – Favourite HYROX event – Clemens
05:22 – Most challenging Hyrox workout
06:23 – Best workout music
07:12 – How do you relax after a HYROX race?
08:08 – Tell us about HYROX?
11:56 – What do you love about HYROX?
13:13 – Favourite functional workout?
14:09 – Favourite HYROX event – Chris
15:00 – What’s your advice for anyone wanting to start HYROX?
15:57 – Where does your inner power come from?
16:44 – Balancing HYROX with work
18:46 – What wellbeing product do you always need in your cupboard?
19:45 – Meal prepping
20:38 – Pre-race nutrition
21:22 – What other sports do you love?
22:02 – How has Lifeplus supported your journey?
23:35 – Who’s your personal sporting hero?
24:16 – How do you prepare before a race?
25:25 – How do you manage family life alongside HYROX?
26:26 – This or that questions
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Welcome to the Lifeplus podcast with Chris and Clemens. Please introduce yourself. So what’s your name and where are you from? Thanks Clemens. My name is Chris as some of you might know already. I am from Ingolstadt in Germany, Southern Germany currently live in Hazelnagar, close to Nuremberg, and I am 28 years old.
Tell us about yourself, Clemens. Yeah. My name is Clemens. I’m also from Ingolstadt and I’m 35 years old. I have two two children, two kids. So how did the two of you meet each other? Probably 10 years ago. I think we could, yeah. Almost celebrate. Yeah, 2012.
2012, we played tennis together, so in a small local club outside of Ingolstadt where I’m from, basically. So I grew up in the countryside. Clemens moved there because of his work and we played tennis together. Clemens was also playing football for the same club.
So something buried, let’s say German in every every German kid basically with either football or tennis. But I was also always into running a lot, trying some half marathons, went on to some obstacle course racing. So something more, let’s say exciting, something more adventurous where
You would not only run but also have to, yeah, carry a sandbag, climb over wall, crawl through mud and so on. And that’s where Clemens and me then basically also joined some races together. And in 2018, when I went to Vienna to study, there was a different friend telling me about HYROX
And that there is a new competition where you also do some running plus some exercises. And I joined with that friend and told Clemens about it immediately, because I think by that time you weren’t able to run that fine? Yeah, I was injured by an ankle injury in 2017.
Yeah, I played football and then it happens and I was out of sport. I think, more or less 1 year, yeah. And I tried to come back slowly, tested a bit of slow running and also then also the cross racing, Spartan racing, Munich, and the ankle felt good.
So I started (as you talk about) the HYROX training and yeah, it went good. And you enjoyed it. He even enjoyed it so much he dedicated his whole basement to HYROX, equipment and everything, so he doesn’t actually need a gym. But yeah, so that was also then after COVID, basically, which was a
Tough time for HYROX because it’s an indoor event where then Clemens and me were like, hey, should we do one together? And we trained at Clemens’s house, ran around the neighborhood. His neighbors already knew us by then. They were like, OK, they’re crazy guys are training again. Extremely. And used his equipment.
And then we went to Berlin in 2021, in November, it was our first race together and we say let’s go together and it was the fourth fastest time I think. Exactly by then. By then, the fourth fastest time and for us a huge achievement which landed us the spot at the first World
Championship in Las Vegas where we weren’t too sure if we would go because of course, travelling from Germany to Las Vegas, taking off, we bought all our. Costs and very expensive. Kids, family, all this time management playing all together. So we moved on a little bit, did some other competitions in Munich
And actually found out that hey, we are, we are really good at this together. We are fast, we are strong and we were winning let’s say the races. So by that time we were also looking for help or for sponsors basically to help us go to
Las Vegas. That’s where we got in contact with Lifeplus to help us actually live that dream and go to Las Vegas, right. Yeah, now we’re sitting here at the podcast with the guys. Yeah, that’s amazing. Yeah. ‘Wouldn’t it be cool if…?’ Okay, so, next question ‘what would be the biggest goal
For the next 12 months?’, so looking in the future 12 months. 12 months, I mean, me personally, I think I would also like to do we did that a little bit this season already, some single races. So I think if we really train hard for ourselves
To be able to do single races, I think this will also help us with our double performance. Yeah, there’s only the next 12 years. Yeah, 12. 12 months, 12 months. Let’s see if we’ll do this in 12 years. Yeah. OK. And I think we continue with my card, Yeah. That’s it.
Yeah, it’s so Clemens, what was your HYROX event and why? Favorite HYROX event. So definitely the world championships in Las Vegas last year. It was the biggest achievement in our my sports career, so this was amazing. I mean, as you say, it wasn’t inane, we
Flew from Germany the all the way to LA and then Las Vegas. The whole experience, the complete week before, but to Los Angeles and so on and. Speaking of HYROX, ‘which is the most challenging HYROX movement for you and why?’ So I think the most challenging workout,
So for me, it’s definitely just the sled, yeah, the sled push because I’m only 65 kilograms. That is more than double his weight. And in comparison to other athletes, yeah, it’s not my my best workout station. So the sled pull is I don’t know why, but
In comparison to other athletes, I’m better than in the sled push. But this is the most station where I struggle. OK. Yeah, fair enough. I mean, you can also see that the bigger boys, let’s say they just. They have more weight and they push it. It’s much much easier, yeah.
It’s like a little toy car for them. When warming up and cooling down. I don’t know. Do you use Spotify? Warming up and cooling down do you use? Spotify Do you have your phone on you? And we can or what’s? What’s basically a song that gets you pumped up? What kind of genre?
I love trance music, so I don’t have a special song for warming up. You don’t on the trance music. I do, actually. And what is yours? It’s Lose Yourself by Eminem. And sometimes when it comes on in the radio, I turn it off because I really, I really get so hyped.
I really only want to listen to that song before races, and I think it really serves me well because I never listened to it in any other occasion, really, just before races. And then yeah, once the first beat drops. It’s strong, makes something with you. Definitely. Yeah. Great.
And after after a HYROX or after workout how do you relax? How do you decompress and do in your? Downtime. So after a HYROX race, I definitely do 2 days or three days nothing. Yeah, I cannot imagine or I cannot understand that people are running a 10K run the next day.
So I don’t really, yeah everything bad. So I do really two or three days nothing now. Nothing only. Just relaxing or only just walking around, stretching. That’s all. Still move a little bit. That’s it, but nothing else. Nothing which would get your heart rate up or eat. Eat. Eat much? Yeah.
To refuel everything, Yeah. For the energy. Then yours? Yeah, your card again. Tell us about HYROX. We are talking about HYROX since. Yeah, some some might not even know what HYROX is. Then let’s go through this through all the questions. So what is HYROX? For people who don’t know, explain it in short
Words. HYROX is a race. They call it fitness racing. So it’s a combination of running with strength workouts. You run 8 x 1 kilometer and have to complete eight different workouts that target different muscles, different movements. So for example, you start running with 1 kilometer and
Then you come to something called a ski urg where it’s basically more or less 2 ropes and you have to simulate what is it cross country skiing. Yeah, you have to do that for 1000 meters, which takes yeah, 4 minutes plus-minus I would say and. What? What is exactly needed?
So do you need more strength or more endurance? I would say that was more cardio. You’re still right because you move a lot. Yes, if you pull stronger then you also move faster. But in the end it’s your whole body is involved from from your legs, your hips, your upper body, your
Arms basically. So it’s still a lot of cardio in the first workout and after that you go directly back into the running. So that’s always the tricky part. Also with HYROX, right? Like you come from running, your heart rate is up, you have to do an exercise, you finish the exercise,
You have to go back into running and kind of like try to control your heart rate again. And then as you said, the beloved sled push is workout #2 – 50 meters of sled push with certain weights, heavier for men, lighter for women and so on.
So you have to do that 50 meters, run another kilometer and then you come back to similar sleds, a little bit lighter and you have to pull on a long rope also 50 meters. And then you go back into running. And let’s say that the sled is really, that’s the
Strength part I would say. Hardest. Hardest part in because most people I think started to fast on running and then they come to the sleds and then they were complete sore. Yeah, and for me also, running after the sled push is one of the hardest because your quads are so much on fire.
They’re so pumped with all the lactate. Basically like you you needed to push that heavy sled and then you need to move your legs fast again to be able to run fast. So that’s always a little bit tricky. Then mention the the next workouts shortly. After that it’s basically burpees, burpee broad jumps.
So you go down on the floor, stand up and then you jump forward. You have to do that for 80 meters. After that rowing. So you go on the rowing machine also have to do a 1000 meters. Then you come to a farmer’s carry where you have
Two kettle bells, one on each side, and you have to do 200 meters, also up to 64KG in total. That’s what we have to carry on 2 * 82. So again, your body weight, I believe. And then #7 is lunges, 100 meters of lunges with
A sandbag on your shoulder to make it a little bit heavier. And then the final exercise before you cross the finish line is wall balls, meaning you have, for us it’s going to be a nine kilogram ball in your hands. You have to perform a squat and then throw it
At a target 3 meters high, and that’s what you do for 100 times. Yeah, and then? Before you fall across the finish line because. Only you’re near death. Yeah, exactly. OK, great. So, yeah, next question. How did you get into HYROX and what do you love about it?
I think we answered it yet. What do you love about it? I think for me, I can say it’s a combination of the cardio and the strength part. Yeah, best combination is for me the the best for that I can imagine. Yeah, I think also like the the best way to
To be fit overall, whatever fit means. But for me fit means whatever challenge, sport or life throws at you like you can you can conquer it. So either if it’s running, if it’s about lifting. If it’s pulling, pushing, throwing like too much components. All of that stuff is combined in HYROX and if
You are fit, also meaning mentally, I think nothing can really surprise you when you were just going to. And it helps you for every kind of sport. Yeah, for running, for football, for tennis, I mean. That’s also how I really what I like about HYROX, right?
HYROX starts in September, October and goes until like March. Basically, May. So more across like the winter season where a lot of other sports don’t take place like usually after break. So I use it in winter to stay fit and prepare myself for summer, where I then go back into
Trail running for example, or obstacle course racing. Yeah, good. Then what’s your favorite functional workout? Favorite functional workout? I mean it’s really simple to try and function. Yeah, you can combine all these HYROX workouts together. They’re doing some lunges, doing some more balls, some burpees.
So for me, I can say I love burpees. Some hate them, I love them. But what’s What’s your favorite 1? My favorite is probably just a combination of where I build my own circuit. You know, I come up with 3-4 or five different exercises and then set myself a time goal of be
Like do this for the next 20 minutes, now 15 minutes, whatever. And sometimes I really surprise myself on how hard I’ve chosen the the the exercises. So it’s really simple. You don’t even need a lot of equipment like burpees, I have said. Very functional and body weight.
OK, so where where’s your favorite HYROX event been? What’s yours? What’s mine? You said Las Vegas, so I can’t do that anymore. But I would say Vienna. I had a really big moment for me because I studied in Vienna for five years, so I had a lot of friends still there and
Was only there to support my girlfriend and her friend who were starting in the in the women’s double. But as I was there anyway I can also start, you know so. I know, no big pressure. No big pressure, no focus at all. I had. a kebab the day before and the falafel because
I don’t eat meat and even a beer because I was like, yeah, I’m just going to run for fun and that actually led to the best time. Your best personal best. So that really helped me. Nice. Last question from the card. ‘What is your advice for anyone wanting to start competing in HYROX?’
Commit to running training. I think the running part is the most important. Running is still 50% of the race. Yeah, I would say more, yeah, or more 60%. Yeah, but I see so many people coming from CrossFit or only lifting in gym who then struggled on the 8 kilometers.
So I think you – You can be very strengthful, strong, but if you cannot run. Exactly. Then you’re still going to die. And you’ll see it on the floor, yeah. A result, you still have to be able to run a 10 kilometer easily. Let’s say a 10 kilometer run shouldn’t be a big
Challenge for you because in HYROX you’re going to be active for at least an hour, an hour 20. I think an hour 30 is like the standard finisher time, so be prepared to work out at a high heart rate for 1 1/2 hours. Now let’s go outside of the gym.
So where does your inner power come from? Yeah, my inner power. So I have two kids, a family, and the time management is really, yeah, a challenge. And I tried to put it all together with the sport and so on, and this was a mentally thing We can switch to you.
Do you have a slogan that you live by, a mantra? I think you even mantra. Yeah, yeah, I have it on my arm here. So ‘never give up. Nothing is impossible.’ This is, this has also something to do with my injury, with my ankle injury.
So believe in yourself, trust in yourself and and everything’s possible. Right. What other jobs do you do then, apart from being an athlete? Yeah, I have a main job, so I work as an engineer at a big car company. I don’t mention that company, but yeah. So you still work full time?
Full time job, 35 hours per week, but yeah. Yeah, me too. I mean, you have to know that we’re not full time athletes. Unfortunately it’s only a hobby. It’s only a. Hobby. It’s only a hobby. It’s like we work, I work 39 hours, sometimes more, sometimes less.
I spend, yeah, 10 to 20 hours per week training, recovering and on top. So that’s that’s of course a very big difference to other sports where you can be a professional and really only focus on training, recovery and competition. And I would say we, we do it on a,
Yeah, very professional level, yeah. What’s your favorite memory of us to together? Definitely. Again, the World Championships. Last year in Las Vegas. It was the greatest experience of my life in sports. Good. Food and nutrition. Yeah, we talked about that before the podcast. So imagine today is your post competition cheat day.
What’s on the menu? Well, we’re in England, so fish and chips, yeah. Cider! All the good stuff! I mean all this stuff with lots of calories because we need it anyway for our training, but lots of, let’s say, fatty stuff, because I feel like after fatty
Stuff I feel heavy and I feel a little bit tired and cannot really train that well. I don’t sleep that well, so that’s why I avoided, let’s say, before competitions. Of course, gummy bears, that’s before the races. OK, great. So what is one well-being product you always need in your cupboard?
I mean, what I do is, I don’t know if that answers the question, but I have like my biggest meal or my most important meal is always like my breakfast. Like I still work out before breakfast and then I have breakfast and I always put cocoa powder in there
Because I’m a chocoholic like I need. I need chocolate. I need chocolate every day, and putting cocoa powder into my porridge just makes it feel or taste chocolatey without lots of sugar and all of that stuff. So cocoa powder also has some other health benefits that
I don’t care about in that terms because I just want to have that chocolate. Yeah, for me it’s more it’s the same. I would answer with the same question. I love the dark chocolate, 85%, and I do those in my breakfast, yeah. Good. Next question, how does your vegetarian diet influence your meal
Prep? Meal prep. Food prep is a tough one because I don’t meal prep. Do you not do it? No, no. I do overnight oats. So I prepare my meal for the next day, the day before. And it’s a ritual. Yeah, for me. So it’s easy to eat then.
Yeah, you can train and then directly start to eat. Yeah, but you just don’t use dairy milk, right? You use oat milk. I use oat milk. Yes, correct. Lots of other good stuff, fruits. Yeah, only good ingredients. Yeah, I mean, you need good fuel to also feel
Good and to be able to train better, right? Correct. Even for cars, there’s different types of fuels and some go for the most expensive one. So why wouldn’t you give yourself? What you put in comes out. Absolutely. Last question, how do you typically fuel your body before a race, pre race?
I make sure… The good thing is I don’t drink coffee. So if I take coffee and I go crazy like this really helps me. So I take some products that say where there’s caffeine included it can be some energy drinks, it can be some other forms of powders, but that really helps
Me to feel the rush. Of course, depending on what time during the day it is. Like if it’s really early in the morning, I might just have a small snack because I don’t want to feel too full. It’s me again, what if it hadn’t have been HYROX?
So if you if you don’t do HYROX, what would your sport have been? What other sport would you do if you don’t do HYROX? So in the past I did many, many kind of sports. So I started with football, tennis, golf, swimming, running, so on, mountain biking.
I think a combination of all of that. Yeah. Yeah. So I’m a bit handicapped by my my ankle injury. So I would say, yeah, mountain biking or swimming, something like that. OK for the rest of your life! Rest of my life. How has Lifeplus supported our journey? Yeah. It’s an interesting thing.
So 2000 and I think it was 2019/2020, just before Corona, a friend has come to me and said, hey, you’re a sportsman, I have something for you. Try these products and I said OK, what’s that? Yeah, let’s let’s try it. And I tried these products before my training and I felt crazy.
Yeah, really crazy. Take it to a second time and said yeah, it has it has an influence to my training, to my complete feeling. And yeah, since more or less three years I take products from Lifeplus and I’m definitely good with them and. Then through to the support of the community, of course
We were able to to travel let’s say to Las Vegas. Right now we’re in Manchester with Lifeplus. So I think apart from the it’s. Going back one year, we never saw that. No, definitely. So it’s not just the products for us, it’s definitely all the community. All the people we are met so.
Yeah, it’s really wild. We’re still enjoying the ride. We hope it continues. We’re on a wave right now. Yeah. How? How you can ride that? Right. It’s really, it’s really cool. And who is your personal sporting hero? 0.4216476082801819 You have an idol? Hero? I don’t have an idol.
Who do you think of right now? I don’t really have an idol. I was a football player and I was a fan of Bayern Munich, so I had my favorite sportsman. And I think it was what was it’s – I don’t know if someone remembers him but it was Alexander Ziegler.
It was in the early 2000s. Yeah, yeah. But I don’t have a special idol. Fair enough. And how do you mentally prepare before the race? Do you have a game plan? So I’m really structural so I really want to know what is coming in the race. So I’m really well prepared.
So I’m writing down my split times on the arm. Yeah, as you know more and the tapes has helps me mentally to to be focused. Do you visualize the race before you? Yeah, definitely. Before I go through every single workout station. How much is the pace for that workout?
How much is the running pace afterwards and? To try to actually really feel that experience already before, so you know, yeah, how to how to handle it then when you’re at your limit, definitely. So I’m in the tunnel at the race, yeah. So before the race I’m really under pressure, but after
The first kilometer I’m in the tunnel and only doing And then full focusing. How do you manage your sports alongside your personal life. I mean, you said that you. Yeah, this is work. It’s time challenging, yeah, to manage your family, two kids, the sport, your passion and it’s really an action,
Hard challenge to clean it all together, but it works. Yeah, but how? How do you do it? I mean, I know that you wake up at 5:00…? Yeah, yeah. If you want to train the the time is less. So you have to train before you work or before
The kids wake up, woke up, wake up. And yeah, this is at 5:00 when when other people are sleeping, yeah, then maybe directly after work or at lunchtime. So you have to fill every minute. So no, no time wasting. Correct. Good. Then let’s go back to your cards. Go back to mine.
OK, ‘this or that’. So inside the gym or out in the nature. I think I know the, the, the answer for you. I think it was. Same for me. It’s outside the yes and the and the nature. So especially in the in the summer month, yeah, but I mean the better month.
Work out outside, it has so much more benefits. Also to your mental health. You get you get tanned like it’s. I love it. Yeah, me too. So I also can workout in a in a gym or in a dark room. Yeah, only focusing on myself. But not for the rest of you.
Not to be so sure of my life, so. Good, then maybe I was when? The summer was coming. The first thing what I did is working outside. Yeah, nice. Maybe I also take over because I also have this or that. So let’s go you. Have the same questions here? No? Definitely, okay then.
Weights or cardio? I would say a good combination between both. It’s either or, weights or cardio. Then I would choose cardio. Me too. But then we would become yeah, skinny. Yeah, that’s correct. All the muscles. are gone. The muscles shriveled up again, damn! But that’s OK. You go again. Good.
Wall balls or sandbag lunges? Wall balls. Oh, that was fun. Really, Really. For you. For me, it’s at the beginning. I hate wall walls. The first Hyrox I did, I died at wall balls. Also the last (?) in Stockholm I was completely game over.
But since Cologne, where the wall balls for the pro weights went very well. You love them I. loved them so it’s a hate-love. I mean, maybe I also only like it a lot because it’s the last exercise, right? So you know once you are at the.
Wall balls and you can completely go on your limit and. So there’s nothing. It’s also the the highest heart rate. Ski erg or sled pull. Definitely ski erg. Because it’s cardio. Because it’s cardio? No, because it’s not sled! That’s also a good one. That’s good though then, But for me it means.
That I have a ski erg on my own so it was the best invention for me as a as a cardio device so. Did this help you? Like, did you feel an improvement? Yeah, that’s in the order for the whole body. It’s very good. Nice – protein shake or protein bar?
Protein shake, I have to say, because I feel like it’s after training. You need liquids anyway, you need fluids. So I feel like if I have like half a litre of protein shake already, that’s already something which benefits my body on top of the protein.
Whereas if I have a bar, sometimes my mouth is still dry and so on. Like I feel a protein shake just serves me better after training because I’m thirsty. For me, it’s the same. For me it’s the same. Otherwise you can take a protein bar with you. Yeah, everywhere. Protein shake.
Yeah, you can prepare it, but. Yeah, it’s both good. It’s both good to have it available when you need it. Yeah, Correct. Next. Hiking or biking? I love both, but I would prefer biking, but then mountain biking because you have so much different possibilities downhill, uphill. Because you even cycled across the Alps.
Yeah. Yeah, I know it was 2018, Yeah. Germany to. Germany – Oberstdorf. It’s in the very south of Bavaria to the Lake Garda. Oh, it’s you know. One week, 400 kilometers. Big experience. So I love cycling, yeah. I did a similar trip actually, but on the road 2 days Lake Garda to Munich.
But the easy way. Yeah, you’re next. Morning workout or evening workout? Wow, that’s a tricky one I used to be evening workout only, but I’m starting to appreciate the morning workouts because then it’s done, you know? Yeah, that’s that was. I still need a little bit of time in the
Morning to wake up and be able to really give 100% so morning workouts. It can be sometimes a little bit more chilled and relaxed, but I think it’s both equally important because I mean I also. Often for routine, yeah. I’d be training 2 times a day sometimes, so really
I split it into morning workout is like more the strength focus where my heart rate is not up and then lunch or afternoon I I go running or I increase my heart rate so. I would prefer really the the morning workout because I normally train without any food and this is the
Best way. Yeah. To start the day right and yeah, that’s the reason why I also love the morning races. Yeah. Then it’s done again. I can then have fish and chips and beer. City or countryside? Countryside. Well. That’s very basic coming. From the From the country? Yeah. Live also. So it’s.
London, Very shock for us. No, I would not. Not a shock. It’s a new experience. It’s yeah, it’s cool but but I wouldn’t understand exactly. Yeah, it’s nice for a couple of days and you food everywhere. Just another shop. There when there’s also food. And coming from Germany we’re not used to that,
They are open until like midnight and everything. 24/7 hours. It’s wild. Yeah, crazy, sweet or savoury food? Sweet, yeah, I’m a sweet tooth, basically. Yeah, me too. OK. Next question. Be Refueled or Be Focused. I would choose to Be Recharged as a recovery product and I haven’t tested the Be Refueled, but I’m
The other recovery product. Yeah. I think it would prefer the recovery, like recovery versus pre-race. Yeah, recovery. Recovery, Definitely, Yeah. You feel so much more fresh after that and you’re done. With activity, so it’s always a good feeling like you’re Are kind of routine to to take it after, I
Mean to work out after the run. Good. Do you have one more? Yes last one though. Leg day or chest day at the gym? Never skip leg day! Never skip leg day, but I mean I also never really had a proper leg day. I mean, I can’t do running, so if I kill
My legs at the gym, I cannot run for 2-3 days, so. Yeah, because you have sore muscles. Exactly so me, it’s chest day because I use my legs anyway when you’re running, when doing the squats, when doing the lunges, so, but I said like. So HYROX is more
Leg. Yeah, you see you you need strong legs, a strong core for HYROX. But I feel like by doing the HYROX exercises you work out for these muscles already. So of course it can help you to implement the proper leg day, but if you have some other weaknesses
Then you should also focus on that. OK, last question from my cards, football or Formula One? Football, definitely. Football. I was playing football so many years and I don’t have any connections with Formula One it’s cool, but that’s it. That’s right. Saying yeah, football. Football is big thing in Germany, Formula One probably
Also. But we we’re torn towards it because we played it. Ourselves correct. More than 10 years, 15 years. Nice. So yeah, I’m out of cards. Yeah. I’m at the beginning at the. Beginning again. This means that we’re probably at the end of this podcast. So thanks, Clemens. Good.