Special Episode of the Butterfly Princess Show
Here the Story of Lesley Urbach Mother and Aunt who arrived in Britain on the Kinder transport during the Holocaust.
Please note this episode contains scenes and discretions some viewers may find upsetting
This presentation was provided by Generation 2 Generation
Hello everybody and welcome to a very special episode of The bcri Princess show today I’m joined by Wesley herbach who is from the organization generation to generation now we had a guest um earlier last month to um to commemorate the uh 8 85th Anniversary of Chrystal that we have the story of peace
Calin’s parents who came over from Vienna but today I’m very happy to introdu you to Lesley herbach who who is again from um the organization generation to generation they help uh promote the stories of survivors and their families to enable the history of the Holocaust is never forgotten now
Wely what what is a retired care advisor since then she is g a degree in um in in Jewish um in Jewish cultural and history studies from the University of um from the University of Southampton she has been involved with um generation to generation from its Inception um she is on the planning
Committee and is a truste and is in charge without Rich services so when you um when you want to book a speaker cuz we have a range of speakers to share their family story whether you’re within a school or organization then we will organize all the all the guest speakers for you um
This is a free service as a Generation generation is a charity you just ask for SM donation if you are able to make that 12 donation and from from 20 since 2014 uh West has uh been befriending a young woman who came over to Britain as
A uh domestic slave and between 2015 and 2012 she has been she worked to work supporting refugees in bar and her story is about her mother and and Aunt who came to Brit on the on the kindergarten transports and the families we left behind uh Westway is very passionate about sharing
These stories but also not only the stories of Holocaust Survivors but those who have suffered persecution and stories of refugees so I um so I will pass you on to Lesley to um share her story with us today thank you very much Steph and thank you for inviting me and um other
GTG speakers to present to you and your um your listeners can you see that okay yes that’s SP on the 15th of December 1938 so just under 85 years ago my 84 my 16-year-old mother Eva who you can see um highlighted on the right and her 13 yearold sister Olie arrived in England
From Nazi Germany on a project called the Kinder transport or the children’s transport they came to escape the Nazis terrible persecution of the Jews but they left their parents and their two older sisters behind this morning I’m going to be telling you about what happened to and
My family before and during the period known as the Holocaust and as well as hear from me you also hear from extracts of interviews that my mother Eva and my aunt only gave also parts of my aunt’s teenage diary and extracts of letters and poems my grandparents sent um my
Mother and her sisters from Germany and these are read by friends of mine you also hear from the late historian Professor David cesarani so my family came from a small town in what was Northeast Germany called bublitz this area now belongs to Poland this is the Market Square where
My family lived and worked and it was a very small town and by my mother mother ‘s lifetime there were only about 30 Jews living in the town but there was had been a larger Jewish population and there was a synagogue W Jews prey and a Jewish um Cemetery which my grandfather
Was in charge of and my family lived a very happy and comfortable life in the town until early 1933 when Hitler and the Nazis came to power my mother Eva is highlighted and she’s with her three sisters they’re posing for a photograph for their beloved parents’ birthdays little did
They imagine that within 11 years all four of them would have left Germany and become refugees leaving their beloved parents behind who they never saw again and these are their parents my grandparents on holiday in happier times my grandfather had been a loyal German citizen he was one of the 100,000
German Jews who thought fought for Germany during the first world war you can see him looking very proud in his uniform and if you go to the new Holocaust Galleries at the Imperial War Museum in London you’ll see a life-size model of him based on this photograph my grandfather was one of the
18,000 Jews awarded the Iron Cross for bravery during that war so there were 67 million people living in Germany before 193 33 you might like to think to yourself how many of them do you think were Jewish and when I asked some students in school when I deliver this in schools mostly
The answer is over 40 million but actually it was just over 500,000 just over half a million were Jewish represented 7% of the total population not many for are people that the Nazis called J and the people who hated the Jews before for the Nazis in Germany called Germany’s Misfortune or
Germany’s bad luck and this is a front cover of the Nazi newspaper and at the bottom of every Edition it said in bold in capitals the Jews are our bad luck after the war my grandfather returned to bublitz to run the family business with his older brother the
Business had been set up by their grandfather in the early 1840s you can see the shop which was part of the business highlighted on the market square they were corn merchants on the right my mother and grandparents are highlighted in front of the shop with staff and some other family members
And my family had a good relationship with their non-jewish staff and their customers who were mostly local farmers my aunt is a little baby in the basket and my mother is on the left the other two sisters myt aunt ilza and K had a different mother to them but the
Four Sisters had a good relationship of course they were typical siblings they loved each other they quarreled but they essentially got on for the rest of their lives of their childhood and their parents my aunt and who’s speaking first and my mother would tell us more very
Happy I can’t emphasize it enough what lovely childhood we all had and that’s what helped us all through our lives we had to be tidy how my mother brought us up and uh she taught us Menace and everything one had to do a well brought up girl had
To do she was kind quite strict but kind and warm and she made our home lab which was wonderful we had to wear what we were given in those days one didn’t have the choice not like the children to today my mother was very fool and uh I
Was a younger so I was always handed down you know and then they went to a dress maker and from all the good parts we always had the same dresses and I got the one which was made out of all the good parts of the others at the
End my father was always laughing with us taking us on walks see the surroundings explaining all this things which grew in the fields and uh taking us everywhere he was always laughing he was always joking he always teased us was a very very happy man they went to school around the
Corner to where they lived in the middle my mother and then my aunt are holding a cone filled with sweets on their first day of school and it’s still the tradition in Germany to do that today called a Schuler tutor my mother loved school until the Nazis came to power she had non-jewish
Friends she liked her teachers and she loved gymnastics and all kinds of sport very unlike me her daughter but they were just an ordinary family living peaceful decent lives but and they were proud to be German and they were proud to be Jewish but their lives changed Forever at the end of
January 1933 when Adolf Hitler was appointed German Chancellor and then very quickly the Nazi party which he led became the only political party allowed to exist Germany became a dictatorship a one party state with very anti-jewish um policies and actions and a great hatred of Jews which they had been
Developing um since the end of the first World War at this point my aunt ulie was eight and my mother was 11 my eldest Aunt Ila was married by then with a young son my mother said life changed overnight teachers began to teach anti-jewish lessons or so-called race
Lessons here the teacher is pointing to the sentence be no it isn’t the teacher sorry a Jewish student is being made to point to the sentence Beware of the Jews on the board while two other Jewish students are made to stand in front and
My aunt oie was aged between 8 to 11 in this period this is what she records nobody spoke to me and the teachers just put bad marks under my work without reading it and I sat alone on a bench and I was just ignored because I was Jewish and one of
The my main memories always is that beginning and end of term they used to salute the flag the Nazi flags and they used to sing they all used all the two schools they all assembled outside flag went up and they had to sing the host vessel lead in the German
National anom but I wasn’t allowed so I sat on by myself in the two schools and I just heard the echo of it and I still to a St dream of that Echo that’s horrible 1 of April 1933 the Nazis began a boycott of Jewish businesses this was
All kinds of businesses that were run by Jews graffiti was put on the Windows posters were put outside this one warning Jews or watch out Germans don’t buy from Jews and remember Jews were German citizens then uniform Nazis were stationed outside stopping people going in this particular boycott only lasted one
Day but these boycotts happen more and more often over the next few years and my mother recalled one occasion and outside the shops stood a man in uniform with a big plard the Jews are bad luck and nobody was allowed you had to close a shop but my father they opened
The side door you could go in and he knew this man who stood in front of our shop and he took a chair and asked him if he would like to sit down and the man sat down outside our shop with this big peard holding the juice out bad
Luck and uh every lunchtime I had to go and fatch my father to come home for lunch and um while I waited for him to get ready a big Nazi officer came in and screamed at my father and I’ll never forget that if you do anything like that
Again you will see that your Jewish blood jumps up to heaven goes up to heaven horrible for my young mother not to mention my 47y old grandfather and what had he done to deserve it between May to October 1933 books written by Jews or by authors and NIS
Considered unerman were burnt in public squares throughout Germany including boets my mother would tell us what happened to their books while you’ll see a film being of the books being burnt in Berlin in front of the University by young student Nazis we had a lot of books at home and
I remembered we had a beautiful um books from H and they came and looked through our bookcase they W just walked in the Germans and they took all these books they were leather bound because I remember when we wanted to read it my mother used to say be
Careful they took all the books and on the marketplace they burned the lot and this is a marketplace where the books were burnt right in front of where my family lived and worked and this was not the only time that the Nazis just walked into their home and into the home
Of the other Jewish families in the town it must have been extremely frightening and terribly upsetting in midt 1935 a couple of laws were passed which have become known as the nurburg race laws um among other things my family like like other Jews lost their German citizenship the law
Defined a German as somebody who was of German or related blood whatever that might mean one sentence in the law said the purity of German blood is the essential condition for the continued existence of the German people in November 1935 this was extended to include black Germans and
People from the RO and cinti communities and the Nazis defined who they saw as Jewish it wasn’t a matter about whether you followed the Jewish religion or saw yourself as Jewish it was all to do with how many Jewish grandparents you had so suddenly people who had no idea they had Jewish Heritage
Or had long forgotten it or in fact were practicing Christian found themselves defined as Jewish and affected by anti-jewish persecution and later by the Nazis murderous policies so priests nuns um practicing Christians also was murdered and sent to the gas Chambers or shot murdered in other ways and the Nazis were determined to
Isolate Jews from mainstream German Society so marriage and sexual relations between Jews and non-jews were forbidden and German women non-jewish German women under the age of 45 were no longer allowed to work for Jews and other groups were also being persecuted by the Nazis and persecuted absolutely terribly including people with
Disabilities um a law was introduced in 1933 which enabled um people with disabilities children with to be um to be um youth to have sorry I can’t remember the word for the moment um to make sure that they could no longer have children and there was propaganda against people with disability and this
Is just one example suggesting how much it costs to support people with disability so there was terrible persecution about against other groups my aunt ulie was aged between 8 to 11 in this period people weren’t allowed to come to your business or to talk to you or be
Friends with you you know that’s also the law you couldn’t do anything I mean we weren’t allowed to go to the cinema I mean I was always the youngest when my sisters learned playing the piano by the time I was old enough to do it it wasn’t she wouldn’t the teacher
Wouldn’t take juice anymore uh by the time I was old enough to go swimming because this where we went swimming you had to go by to cycle by the time I was old enough to go you couldn’t go there anymore you know and I was always to lay for everything and I
Never I miss out on everything so uh those were the laws everything was close to us every Recreation and my mother who you see here cried bitterly when she was no longer able to take part in gymnastics which as I told you she loved just because she was
Jewish I understood that um being Jewish you you were an outcast because you were made to understand that well I knew they didn’t they were atie Jews that’s what I knew that they didn’t want to Cho in April 1937 when my mother was only 15 she moved to Berlin the capital
Of Germany and Liv with family and she went to a Jewish College to learn office work skills and later she did an apprenticeship to learn um embro sewing and that kind of thing she said that it was just wonderful to walk in the street and nobody knew who she was nobody spat
At me in the street cuz life was particularly hard right from the start for Jews in small towns like boets my 11-year-old Aunt remained with her parents in boets I was the last Jewish child there they’d all left by that time for a year was the last
Jewish child in the town I had nobody to clavers I was always my mother and I was terribly lonely weekend sometimes my mother used to take me to my uncles because they were children there but it was terrible really and obviously I didn’t do any school work because if nobody looks
At your work or takes an interest and just puts bad marks on these you don’t work my mother tried to teach me at home and you know to work with me but it wasn’t the same and it was a very sad yeah you see we had to go to
School but uh it was just going to sit there the same time her uncle her father and her uncle had to sell the family business a business that had been set up by their grandfather nearly a hundred years before my grandfather was extremely upset and my 11-year-old Aunt
Saw him cry when he put down the shatters of the shop the last time my grandfather had always liked writing poetry particularly comic verse but the time for comedy had long gone and he wrote this poem around this time often I want to cry I am so sad full of anger I
Feel lousy and mean you want to puke in all directions though those beautiful times not granted any longer are over over over and in early 1938 they left bublitz to go to Berlin they traveled there by train to join my mother my grandfather wrote it is a bitter decision not
Voluntary but a hard necessity is forcing us to leave boets we only can and must live in Hope let God Prevail heads up and don’t despair I told I mentioned at the start my grandfather was in charge of the Jewish cemetery and in the poem he wrote around about leaving boets he
Wrote today we went to the good place the cemetery for the last time where our loved ones Slumber In The Valley Of Peace we said Fair farewell to our four bears in 1940 my grandfather wrote that he’d heard that the cemetery was going to be leveled and this is what it looks like
Today he my grandfather wrote no one is waving a handkerchief our leaving is sad and cold forgotten soon forgotten so they went to Berlin but life became more and more difficult for for Jews and for the other groups being persecuted by the Nazis and in early
November 1938 we get a massive attack on the Jewish communities of Germany Austria and an area called the Sudan land which Germany had taken over which is just surrounds where it says Czechoslovakia was particularly bad in Vienna the capital of Austria and Germany it’s um known as a the November
Prgram um or or more popularly as Christal the night of broken glass because of the shards of glass that lited the streets after the windows of Jewish businesses were smashed the content stolen or destroyed people’s homes were invaded their property destroyed many people were just forced
Out of their home it was a terrible terrible time and people were killed and some people committed suicide and synagogues were burnt down my aunt jie was unreligious items were destroyed or badly damaged my aunt jie was 12 I went to school the same time as
Usual and on the way I saw on the train the fazan synagogue smoke coming out and as I got because the school was right near the C Dam which was the West End of Berlin really and I saw all the shops being smashed and all that and when we
Go got to school they sent us home again was closed and they closed it and we were sent back home and my grandfather is on the left and his younger brother were together that night of the 9th 10th when they were arrested they were among the 30
Around 30,000 Jewish men or those the Nazis to find his Jewish who were arrested the majority were taken to concentration camps where the Nazis kept the people they considered their enemies and where they were really really badly treated my grandfather was lucky on this occasion because he was arrested by a
Man he fought in the first world war with and the man mistreated him in front of the other men and then apologized when they were alone after a short period I don’t know how short my grandfather was released so after this event many Jews like my grandfather who’d been reluctant to
Leave Germany thinking things will get better it will blow over realize it was not going to get better it was going to get worse and they rushed to embassies to try and get permission to go to other countries but it was extremely hard the world did not want to take in Jewish
Refugees just as the world does not want to take in refugees today and like today there was no Refugee convention this was part just after as a result of the Holocaust and it defined them who was a refugee and empowered that people the countries that signed it had to give
People Refuge who fall fell within this definition and this um definition and this convention is still fit for purpose my mother was 15 I remember going to the British Embassy it it was in a courtyard it wasn’t a house by itself we were standing in the courtyard there were millions of people standing
There you couldn’t move we never moved forward or backwards at all and in the evening we just had to go home but in Britain pressure was put on the government to take in children the government agreed as long as the children came without their parents didn’t cost British taxpayer or anything
And left Britain as quickly as possible it’s known as the Kinder transport the children’s transport and between just over 9,000 children came to Britain in this way from Germany Austria and what’s now the Czech Republic the majority of those children never saw their children their parents
Again what a decision to make to send your children away this is um David cesarani the parents faced an agonizing decision they could save their children from persecution by responding to the offer of help and sending them to Britain but only at the cost of relinquishing their
Loved ones the most natural instinct to protect their children entailed the most unnatural gesture giving them up to strangers and an uncertain future in a foreign Land once they decided to place their children on the K of transports they had to prepare them and themselves for the moment of separation
My grandparents managed to get my mother who had just turned 16 and my aunt who had just turned 13 onto it they paid the equivalent of around £3,000 for each of them they also paid for two other children who they didn’t know and never knew and that enabled my mother and Aunt
To travel together to stay together and not all parents could emotionally make their decision to make send their children away but more importantly many just either couldn’t afford it themselves or else they couldn’t find anyone else to support it to sponsor them 1.5 million Jewish children were murdered during the Holocaust my mother
And her sister and the other children who got here were very lucky now some children were really young they didn’t understand why they were being sent away but my 13-year-old Aunt did understand well we could see what was happening I mean when you see people being arrested when
You see shops being smashed when you see synagogues bur when people lose their jobs and they can’t get I mean we had to but she was only 13 and she couldn’t stop crying and her mother said to her it’s for us to cry not for you my mother said it was dreadful for
My parents there was my parents and my sister standing there could see them crying my father my mother and my sister and what did your father say to you father couldn’t say he just crying my father couldn’t speak both my parents were just crying my mother always told me I’ve got
To look after my sister but uh which was very difficult very hard at times but uh my parents didn’t say anything anymore there was nothing to say and on the 14th of December 1938 so nearly 85 years ago my mother um and my aunt oi went to the station in Berlin
From this station here with their parents and their 19-year-old sister K from where they took a train that took them to the Netherlands to the hook of Holland before they came to England my mother said that the platform was crowded with crying children and parents and very quickly the Nazis
Forbade the parents from going onto the platform in August 1939 my grandparents wrote we had toart from our little children which brought us Untold suffering children on the Kinder transport were allowed to take one suitcase each this is my mother’s suitcase and you can see from this
Picture it wasn’t very big and you couldn’t take any money or anything valuable now the train traveled across Germany to the Netherlands but before it cross the German border this is what happened not all the children had a trouble-free journey police and Border guards frequently came onto the trains
To inflict a last dose of Terror on the young Travelers custom they came and opened my suitcase to see if I’ve got any money or something and they took all the sanitary towels out which was very embarrassing at that age and they took it put it throw them
On the floor and just wash the floor with it with their feet you know wash the floor with it and all you could do is throw them all out from the hook of Holland they took a ship that brought them to England to harit in Essex East England and this
Film is from the first group of children who arrived on the 3D of December so that was um yesterday or the day before 85 years ago and like these children my mother and Aunt were taken by bus to a holiday camp that was closed for the winter in harch called DOA Court where
They spent the first couple of weeks and it was a really really really cold winter and those chalets you see them waving from and were built for winter bought sorry were built for the summer beginning of January 1939 they were taken by coach to this house in
Burgess Hill in West Sussex it was owned by a Jewish organization called the Grand older Sons of Jacob um and it was a convalescent home there’s sorry um there’s a sound coming um it was owned by Jewish organization they agreed to take in 50 girls from the Kinder transport while
Home continued to of their time there my aunt said we were actually very fortunate we were exceedingly fortunate we were taken in in this home in VI and we could not have been looked after better I only wished at the time that our parents should have known how well we looked
After they were looked after by the M see her in second row in her uniform she was very strict with them but made sure they were well looked after and you can see my mother is highlighted in the second row my aunt in the top row and
They generally were okay there but were terribly homesick and worried about family left behind in Germany my parents and my sister K my sister K came in the February after that on a domestic permit she left there and she came but she said it was terrible after we left
At home was so quiet she was say they were crying all there for a terrible atmosphere at home and my mother had just lost her mother and we’d left you know it was was terrible in my grandmother wrote 20th of Jan January 1939 and we we are sitting here trying
To get passports as soon as possible and of course we then want to leave too to get back together with our children as quick as possible they of course are longing to be reunited with us this separation from my children is very very painful to me although I know that it is
Best for the children and that they no longer had the opportunities here to develop so my as my aunt o said my aunt K arrived in England in February 1939 aged 19 and she came to be a domestic servant there was a shortage of servants here
And that was one way that adults um could come and about 20,000 mainly women came in this way there’s also a shortage of agricultural laras and many men s a percentage of men came in that way but their parents were left behind in boets their four children far away my eldest
Aunt Ila had gone ended up in Argentina with her son and husband in April 1939 my grandparents wrote we are very anxious and long for you my thoughts are only with you and how we can be together again quickest way possible this is my firm wish for you and
Us they do manage to get a visa to go to Chile in South America this is letter telling them so they expected to leave Germany sometime around um in SE after September 1939 they make arrangements to try and ensure that my mother and aunts would join them there in her first entry in
Her diary my aunt he wrote today I’ve considered that it is nice to keep a journal I’m 13 years old and live with my 16-year-old sister Eva in a hostel in England I have been here since December but soon this time will come to an end
Because we are going to South America to Chile but the second world war broke out and my grandparents were unable to leave Germany when they expected to and their visa for chile ran out they were so close that they didn’t get out my mother said that they realized
That once War started they weren’t going to see their parents again however they kept hoping that that was not true once war broke out you couldn’t send letters or have phone call between England and Germany uh they could however write to my aunt in Argentina who was which was not at war with
Germany but the letters we have make extremely sad reading such as this one when my aunt only turned 14 since 4:30 a.m. I am thinking of you I pray that we can live happily together again as soon as possible and hope God will hear our prayers today one can only live in
Memory because we can hardly believe in the future they keep trying to get out of Germany in December 1940 my grandmother wrote if you knew how dad runs around for it but it’s just too late we really missed the moment but they keep trying and they do
Get a visa to go to the Dominican Republic um they expected to leave Germany early 1941 for some reason they were going via Ecuador and they packed up all their possessions in three trunks this is the smallest of the trunks sent them ahead of them expecting to follow but in March
1941 they wrote unfortunately we did not get out we had everything ready papers for the passage when Panama was closed and we could no longer leave yes such is our luck what can we do the money is gone and our hopes are buried and we do not know what’s going
To happen just don’t think think because one can go crazy and they added that the trunks were in Japan and they hoped they would see them again in June 1941 my grandmother wrote Our progress is once again completely at zero point we do not know what will
Become of us we really only have immense Misfortune and what have we done to deserve it Meanwhile my mother and aunts were growing up and my grandfather wrote it’s great how they struggle along at their young age isn’t it but the big big longing we have you cannot
Imagine the only way they could communicate directly with their parents and their parents with them was sending a letter through the international Aid organization the Red Cross where you only had 25 words and that included the address well there’s not much you can say in so few words you can see an
Example Le of one my mother and her sisters sent their parents in the middle of these Red Cross letters my grandmother wrote we get them through the Red Cross a short message of 25 words containing always the same but we are grateful may this evil War soon end
And may we meet again God Prevail towards the end of October 1941 the naris forbade Jews from leaving the territories they then controlled in December 1941 my grandmother wrote even if everything was fine it would be impossible to leave the country we have just missed the connection through unfortunate
Coincidences and now have to accept the Fate that is destined to us this is the one from last Red Cross letter that my grandparents sent to my mother and sisters it arrived in England on the 25th of February 1943 my grandparents had been murdered 5 days earlier though of course my mother
And aunts had no idea about that and in her entry in her diary in July 1943 my now 17-year-old Aunt Olie wrote We do not hear anything anymore from the dear parents one should better not think my grandparents were sent away from Berlin on the 19th of February 1943
They were sent to German occupied po to aitz berhow the most well-known but certainly not the only Nazi death camp and the journey took a day and my grandparents were immediately selected to go into the gas Chambers my grandfa was 58 my grandmother was 47 there were two of the 1.1 million
Human beings mured at aitz of whom nearly a million were Jewish and what had any of these people done to deserve it there were two of the around six million European Jews who were murdered during this period known as the Holocaust and those Jews came from all
Over Germany oh sorry those Jews came from all over Europe not just Germany and that many people could not have been murdered just by Germans where they were murdered with the active involvement of many people from all these countries who collaborated with the Nazis to persecute and Deport and murder their Jewish Citizens six million is a lot to a large number to think about and I’ve worked out that it’s equal to between a half and a third of the number of people living with disabilities in the UK today so about five million people were murdered in other groups hated by the
Naris and what had any of them done to deserve it my mother and aunts hoped against hope that their parents were still alive my mother got married my father was also a refugee from Nazi Germany war with Germany ended and my mother and Aunt got on with
Life in England and Argentina none of the four sisters who you see on the picture at the top are alive anymore unfortunately 3 years after the end of the war the three trunks my grandparents had sent ahead of them towards South America arrived at my flat my Mo my
Parents flat in London I wasn’t born then but my eldest brother who was about three or four remembered one of the trunks being large enough to walk into this is the only trunk that’s survived over the last 80 years and you’ll Now find it in the Holocaust Galleries at
The Imperial War Museum together with content we still had such as my grandmother’s dressing gown this is my mother and Aunt as young women and here they are as adults reflecting on their parents’ decision to send them away could I have done that with my children send them away I don’t think I
Could I don’t think I could I’ve got neighbors who’ve got a daughter who was as old as I was when I left home and I can’t bear to look at her sometimes I think that is what I was like and she’s old she’s childish still you know she’s not sophisticated at
All and I look at her I think this is I just can’t believe it it just doesn’t enter my head somehow it just is unbelievable I find many things that are happening around the world unbelievable The Rise um of extreme right-wing nationalist governments the increas in hatred against people because they’re
Different to us um to to people people because of their color or disability or nationality or ethnicity or religion or gender or sexual identity or whatever reason it’s rising again around the world including here in Britain I find the enormous increase in hatred against Jews anti-Semitism that
We’ve been seeing for a while but has been growing extraordinary in early over the last two months I find it unbelievable and I’d like to end with a quote from the vena director of the vena Library the oldest and largest Holocaust library in Britain which is based in central
London the lessons of History demonstrate that misinformation and propaganda is designed to divide communities in profoundly dangerous ways that is why hatred must be confronted in whatever form it takes thank you very very much indeed for listening and I’ll be happy to take questions well um it’s not really any
Questions L but more like just really comments really uh firstly I would like to say a huge thank you you know for sharing your family story W with with me today and hopefully it will have a a great impact on my arguing members and you know and how how your presentation was put
Together you know the testimony of your R and your mother and the Poetry from your grandfather was was really impactful and really insightful and really thought though King thank you very much I apologize I was sorry sorry um nothing to apologize for it came across very clearly and very
Informative and I’ve also got to say as well that you know um you know the work that you do today OB with the research did preparation bar recession St what you do um with um what you do with refugees like said in the instruction you work with syan refugees in barish and you
Also you also co-founded for remembering our the ra bone GP and you’ve been able to befriend a young woman who came to prison as a domestic way you know um you know how your uh family story is inspired you to do the work that you do today is really
Commendable thank you very much indeed Seth thank you and thank you for inviting me to tell my family story you’re very welcome W and thank you again and I will get in touch with the organization you mentioned because they sound like a very good organization
So oh I’ll um I’ll introduce you now and send their link okay that’ be fantastic thank you w thank you very much indeed thank you bye bye