So uh Happy Sabbath everyone I want to uh thank you for uh inviting me uh into your fellowship today and uh I um so I am K I’m from the uh wone Foundation Fellowship uh in Canada and uh well we’re going to worship today we are going to uh to talk
About a um a an oppression that is actually overlooked and uh but before we get there we are going to pray and uh yeah take it from there so bow with me so I can pray uh dear God in heaven we are so thankful to be able to gather
Together in uh the Sabbath day as uh we are looking L Lord at what’s going on in the word and find the correlation with the prophetic message I pray Lord that you uh open our understanding and that you give us the holy spirit and wisdom
Uh to see those issue for what they are I pray Lord for all the people that are here today that you may bless them and that uh the time that we have together uh will be um would be a good time I pray all these things the name of Jesus
And for your glory amen so I am going to ask for participation and uh also all along the presentation you are you can uh intervene that’s no problem with that uh so the sorry I have to press okay so today we are here in 2024 okay and
And we know that the Su that was approaching can you tell me what is the uh test for the Sela anyone equality gender okay so we have as a test we have gender equality what else I mean that’s the big test I know but
When we talk about the Su La what do you think of right of fascism and the fall of democracy yeah the fall so there the rise of fascism okay so is absolutely the fall of democracy good how did we come to this conclusion how did we come to that
Conclusion was it because of the 2014 studies on this okay so you are bringing us to 2014 2014 that’s that’s yes we have the understanding of the suay law 2014 but in 2014 we don’t know so much about gender equality we have there’s some
Issue going on but we don’t see it as a test as a test as we understand it today for the sunlock so it’s a little bit after 2014 that we come to that conclusion when is that the election of trump election of trump right the election of trump come with what
I want you to think internally because we see the things externally but for us to understand something a message has to come to us internally so we can look at something externally and understand with a prophetic eye my question is what came that what allowed us to arrive to the
Conclusion that we had to look at the election of trump that Midnight Cry the problem is gender equality Midnight Cry the midnight cry yes and what exactly in the Midnight Cry what year is that 2018 2018 so here we are in 2018 so and we have the Midnight
Cry and what is the message of the Midnight Cry so if you were linking 2016 uh the election of trump externally and you said we need to look in internally at 2016 then that message would be acts 27 which shows that the institution of America is Shipwrecked at Sunday law and
That’s because of the fall of democracy at Sunday law yes so what you’ve done is that you’ve taken a link and we see that with the in institution there’s a thought of democracy and to be able to uh understand how they fall you go back to 2016 okay so that’s good now
Regarding that’s that’s good for the thought of democracy what about gender equality when are we aware of that message of gender equality in 2019 yes so it is in 2019 what do we learn what is it that we get in 2019 are we told right away at gender
Equality women wearing pants speaking in being in leadership okay think of the message so that that is uh it’s it’s true but it comes a little bit um what I’m looking for it’s something that comes a little bit before that would lead to those issues you know with women weing issues
With women wearing pants um women in leadership position what is the message that we receive in three words is it the sorry no you go ahead is it the geographic model of the King of the North and King of the South so when you think of that so here
In 2019 we have the two stream of information okay two stream two stream and out of the two stream of information we also have the message of the King of the North and the King of the South the King of the North and the King of the South allow us to see that
The King of the North cannot be on over the King of the South the King of the South cannot be over the King of the North that they should be king of the sou King of the North which give us you know that that notion of equality but
With that notion of equality there was three particular subject that came with them and they came in 2019 what are they sexism yes racism yes and homophobia stream information so we have let just sexism actually racism sexism orop phobia I know I didn’t put it in the right
Order and here we are told what that those things they are not supposed to be found where in Eden in Eden yeah but most generally not clear I’m just going to say pretty much in the movement this is what I was looking for pretty much in the movement we are told that those
Things are not supposed you can’t be sexist you can’t be rasic you can’t be homophobic and from those uh those notion then the message Continue to develop and then we have this understanding that yes sexism and G equality will become um a test uh but that doesn’t diminish that even though s
La um gender equality is a test doesn’t give you the right to be racist or give you the right to be um homophobic can someone give me an example of a subject of racism oh no let’s take it with let’s keep it with sexism um can someone give me an
Example of a subject if I’m taking you okay you told me gender equality is the test tell me what tell me some subject that are part of that test nobody are you looking for radical feminism trans inclusive radical feminists um that is what we’re supposed to be uh the trans inclusive uh radical
Feminist so I would say maybe the movement uh I where to put it let me put it here I hope you can see but the movement should be trans uh inclusive radical feminist but you’re looking at the news today and you tell you tell yourself oh
This is part of sexism this is part of um the issue of gender equality what are you reading today that points you to that issue of gender equality give me some example of issues that are part of the sexism of gender equality abortion abortion what else with patriarchy or
Headship Okay so headship so yeah we can put it uh headship you read the news so what are those news that you are reading and what are the subject that they are um that you are reading what are the subject are you talking about like sexual abuse
Too sexual abuse okay yes yes anything that I just want to see um um I’d say the hijab and um in Iran the hijab yeah okay let me can I put um dress what did you say sorry dress women’s dress how they dress okay women dress okay yeah and education in Afghanistan places
Like that uh plus uh can I put I don’t know if I put Islam cuz I understand what you mean but it’s not only Isam that that but I’ll leave it to women’s dress but I put education education is a good one all right what about me go
Ahead I said femicide what about femicide femicide yes there’s a lot of women doing that uh femicide fem is it femicide or feminicide oh I don’t know I don’t know I think it’s how about child Mar marriages child marriages sorry sister I never know uh if there two r r
I’m always confused between the two languages so bear with me I two R and it’s only one R in English um how about beauty standards beauty standards okay so let’s put these all right in the beauty standards can you give me some can you give me some example of beauty standards
Hairstyle hair okay I’m not sure that you will see anything so we put here wait wait supposed to be um cosmetic surgeries okay so it’s appearance can I put appearance oh no yesy and appearance um okay so how about fat phobia do you see it as an oppression or
Is it the fault of the person who is Fat that they are fart what is your reaction when you see somebody who is Fat you don’t have to answer I know it’s I’m I’m asking but uh don’t feel um feel obliged to answer because this is where
I want to go this is what I want to talk about today is the subject of fat phobia and the reason why I want to look at that subject is because it is is um a subject that is overlooked and it is part of our unconscious bias and Um what I found is that uh there was a research that was done in 2019 and out of the six form of implicit bias so you have implicit bias and the six form and out of the six forms so you have race and you have skin tone you you have sexual
Orientation you have age disability and you have antia weight or anti anness and in 2019 so there’s this um research that is done by the Harvard University and they found that uh out of those six um implicit bias the one that have getting worse is the one about uh
Fat phobia so we are here in 2019 okay and we learn about racism sexism homophobia so we see the big picture but it’s also other other um issues going on and one of them is a fat fobia because the world can see the sexism I mean in the big picture the
World can see the racism but fobia it’s something that is not so common you know that for people to look at which means that if it’s something that is on the rise and that is the case since 207 out of all this implicit bias this one is under
Rise if it’s under rise then this this is something that we should consider even here in the movement because we have we have unconscious bias and if we think that we are exempt because we think that oh yes now I I believe in gender equality then we should consider something that
Is also important to see is that out of all the example that has been given on gender equality they usually those that we see the most so if I have to uh do the same all of those they pretty much here that’s an iceberg well well uh that’s an iceberg and
That’s just the tip of the iceberg but the what we need to know there’s a lot that we don’t see that we are unconscious because they are more subtle and so it’s not something that you will um see like abortion abortion is very easy you know to see because it’s
Reproduction rights it’s it’s um it’s on the news you can see women uh women being abused but something like that that is less unle then um it’s not it’s it’s kind of overlooked and the same way that women have should have the right for their Reproductive Rights to to repr procreate
Or not repr procreate they should have also the right to be uh to be and and we will um and when I say that is that they should not be oppressed for the body the body it’s something that is changing especially in uh in a woman but that is
Overlook and we will understand why but not only it is um a form of Oppression it also intersect with racism sexism homophobia and other like um asan aism um misog and all of those so and the reason why I said that in intersect intersect like in intersection so you will have here
Sexism and here you may have racism homophobia oops and then you can have here fat FIA oops the reason why it’s intersect is because you don’t have to be a man to be fat fobic you can be uh a woman and be fat phobic as well you know you can be a
Woman and be racist but you can be a woman that is racist and fat phobic and you can be a woman that is homophobic and fat phobic or even sexist and same you know for men all the things you know they intersect and I’m going to try to
Do it well but I hope you understand so yes women women and especially women of color are the one that are the most oppressed uh regarding fat phobia um and we will see but it is also a uh a big system of operation in other um in other area so uh Isabel if
You can just show the two books that I am going to um uh use for my study it’s the first yes thank you so that’s the my reference you know that I’ve have taken for this study the first one is UN shrinking and this is by Kate
M so I think many of us know Kate M she is the author of down girl and entitled that has been um that has been referenced by alberes and a um a new book is actually unshrinking how to face F fat phobia and she is also a um um a philosopher
Australian philosopher she’s a feminist and uh she’s she is um a professor at the University of Corell Cornell University and then you have uh also MOA B which she is a African-American feminist and writer and she is the one that coin um the term that is used now
Uh very widely which is called misir which it which they notes um this unique combination between misogyny and anti likeness so um my research so to speak are based on those two books and this is uh what I am going to uh share with you I am not going to um I’m going
To poweres uh the main um ideas but uh I just wanted to let you know where I got my sources from than thank you um you can remove it now so one of the place that uh fat people are actually uh oppressed is in the healthare system and
Actually there is a chance for fat people to be mixed diagnosed mix Mis diagnosi no mix diagnos I hope I pronounced properly um an example that is given and that is in the book on shrinking is that woman who lost weight she lost weight she lost over 60 pounds
But then she started to have crumps and to have pain um postmenopausal vaginal pains so she goes to her OBG G GYN but the OBG YN does not diagnose her correctly because she’s fat actually what he um what he writes instead is that she’s a fat complaining older woman and so she
I mean the the the doctor sent her back home however the pain continues to uh continue to continues to uh grow and uh it is so unbearable that she has to uh go see another doctor that’s that’s a month after and when she comes back when she goes see that doctor
Um that doctor decides to do some blood test and to um to have a little bit more uh information and the blood text come back and she receed a call to go right away in the ER because they find a big Mass a huge mass in a abdomen and she has
Actually a pelvis cancer cancer sorry and uh what happened is that because it was taken um too late um she died after six months so that’s just a uh an example of how people can be misdiagnosed because what they see is just a fat woman so in their
Mind is that well if you fat it’s just because you eat too much like you know control yourself but what happened is that there is discrimination in the sense that the type of care that you are going to receive are not going to be the same as another person because everything and
Everything but the cause the cause of your um illnesses let’s say is due to your fatness and they would not look at something else so I have also this question for us internally I don’t you don’t need to answer you don’t need to give me an
Answer but have you ever looked at a person and say this person must be must lack of willpower or she’s probably she probably doesn’t eat healthy NE neither that she follows the health reform okay so she must be lying for the reason for for being fat she she’s completely uh out of
Control or have you ever tried to give the best diet to that person or to another person without understanding where they come from and all the underlying issues or health problem or what was the your reaction when you what what not what was but what is your first reaction when you see a
Fat person where are you especially women because we know that they are uh unfortunately uh they are regulated by beauty standards are you going to say oh this woman is ugly or she’s probably lazy or undisciplined because so just keep that in mind and ask yourself the question
And the because the reason why I say that is because it’s been um there’s been researches that have been done that show that fat people people they are not tying faster than S people actually uh it’s been even uh proved that um fat people so with a BMI
Of 25 to 30 they um uh have a lower risk of mortality uh than uh I mean M obese people for example or thinner people and is also it has also been shown that people who are are um mightly obese which means that they have a PMI over
35 okay yes they have an increase of mortality but so are people who are on the way that means that have a BMI that is under I mean that is 18 and under so nothing fat doesn’t mean that you are not healthy um women has Cycles body change
And when we are too uh constrained to think that women should look this way we are also disregarding our other health issues and you can ask also in your surroundings how many women you go to the doctor for example are they going to wait are they going to say okay no I
Can’t go to the doctor now because I know what I’m going to go I know I’m going to have to step on the scale it’s going to be messy I don’t want I’m going to wait I’m going to wait I’m going to postpone postpone postpone and they
Postpone so much that important um uh health issue you know that should have been diagnosed before you know would be diagnos diagnosed too late this time I have a question and somebody can answer me what is and I’ve already mentioned it so what is the tool
That um is used by the health care providers today or even common people because everybody can go on the internet and and uh use it to um determine uh if someone is obese or know that you are in the right range yes I’ve heard it already is the BMI and I don’t
Know if you know a little bit about the history of the BMI but uh before I go to that history there is is this man which is a fame um physiologist Harvard physiologist that says the following in um 1961 his name is eno Eno keys so I’m
Going to write it uh there I hope you can see the tell if you I’m say I this one ah I leave it open That’s name my so enil enil Keys okay so uh in uh just go on my notes here so in 1961 it says the photo wi in a Time In Time Magazine it says that obesity did not necessarily cause cor coronary heart disease it was however ugly not to mention disgusting and ethically repent
As he wrote in in other publication F people are clumsy and our bodies are hard on furniture so you can see how D derogatory this is and and aniss is the one who created the body Max index the BMI in the 1980s and it based is um is uh work on the Belgian
Astronomer his name is Adolf klet who was interest interesting in defining the ideal average men and by divided their weight in kilograms so um isab if you can show the second picture uh this is U where this the three men’s yes this one perfect so this is um he
Wanted to see you know uh what the Aver ideal men would look like so he is Bel so in in French is laa and so it took some um uh some a averag men and um divided their their weight um with their with their height uh in meters and uh it
Decided that people that are overweight are people that have a BMI of uh between 28 and 2025 so uh but when um klet uh did his um this this his research he used only a certain type of people which were only men uh white men and he used uh two um
Two uh how say that yeah two I don’t want to say too tight but two uh I mean men forget about that I mean men some of some of them were soldiers uh in Scotland and some other were uh French uh and they were in the
Gary so I don’t know the word in in English but it’s like polman pretty much uh Gary so he used that as a um as a base to to determine the the BMI now what’s the problem with this what’s the problem with having just male and just uh White
Centric male to uh determine the BMI it’s an open question no females no females exactly not only no female but also no people of color uh and black women in particular so already if you are using the BMI just know that this uh tool is also uh centered in
Eurocentric but it is also sexist and it’s also racist and the reason why I am saying that is because it has been shown know that um women of color um even black men but women of color black women um they have a bone density that is higher than the counteract of um
Caucasian uh women so when you see a a black women uh she might be um 10 pounds bigger than a counter pack the white women however it doesn’t mean if you use the BMI she might be already in that uh category of obese but it’s not that
She’s obese it’s just that the density of her bones are different but that is not taken in the BMI another reason um and you can show the next the next up um picture is the OT not this one go up again again yes this one thank you um I’m going to try to
Say I don’t know if you know the history uh of uh the ENT to women so we know that um even before there were uh in Europe different types of women there was there were already fat women or women you know with there was thin women there were fat women but uh what
Happened is that in the um uh in in the 1800s and a little bit before in the 700 you have the uh s trade that is starting and um as um people go into Africa uh to uh look at people at um to study you know different
Different people they um go in South Africa and they they found this uh um tribe uh which is the the tribe of the entot h o TT n t o t and what they find is that women over there are bigger but they not just bigger uh they develop
Everywhere you know is developed bigger okay so and that there was this um French naturalist his name is V Julian Joseph V and in his natural history of the Negro race that that was published in 1837 it says the following it says that women talking about this um auen it says
Verus asserted that Negroes generally were of mild disposition robust but slow and very lazy is trth is treatment for their big bottom and bellies that push out ver theorized these women as often seditary or pregnant leading to an accumulation of fatty liquid in their stomachs breast heps and buttocks the D
The derer the the butt of ento women ented women resemble those of four-legged creature at time growing so large that they could be supported with a small cart like domesticated animal and so the ENT woman name is um I mean it’s calling the name is Sarah that
You see on the picture on the left uh that’s the woman that they um that they photograph and she has been exported or imported um uh to uh to Europe uh for exposition and but they use that revulsion of differences to make many more car uh caricatures so of black women which is
The one that you see on the right and to give you know that revulsion of um the fat body all of a sudden even though in those time on day and age they were there were women that were fat now fatness as a Association and it was Associated
Distinctively with the black trait of uh fat body of uh black women and so that is long time ago okay that’s uh that’s in the 1800s right however what it’s going on is that the same um disuss it’s still still going on today so and and women are
Still um black women because they don’t fit the those characteristics of those eurocentric BMI characteristic they are always um uh being um scold not scolded but um derogated so I want you to take the time um Isabel if you can show the next picture of s William and yes oh yes this
Page of Serena on the left and and um uh the other lady I’m going to try to remember her name is Caroline carolene vinski and I put a a few picture of them uh together for a reason because when you think of sports for example in that particular um example people women’s
Body especially in sports are showing okay so there is scrutiny and um often the body of a black women in sports will be scrutinized stronger than the body of a white woman and so that’s what happened for example for PE some someone like Serena Williams who has received a
Lot of degraded comments racist comments that she was not supposed to be part of the tennis player although she is the greatest athlete of all time in tennis yet because of a body uh she has been derogated and I want you to SP pause one minute and think of your unconscious
Biers as you look at the picture right now what is your what do you have in your mind don’t need to answer but what do you see do you in your mind do you see oh do you perceive that women being too muscular Muscular sorry too fat
Maybe even too manly you know because um muscles shows more or do you think that she’s the ey model for a f for no for sports like tennis just think of that you know as soon as you see the picture and I put the the picture of Caroline it’s because
Caroline she has uh imitated Serena Serena um Williams um in a racist display as you can see it was a exhibit exhibition match and what she did is that she stuffed a bra and a skirt with tennis ball okay so that you know it resemble the um the the visual the the
Physic sorry aspect of the authentic women that we saw before um and that that’s how black women are viewed so Isabelle said you know I don’t want you to give me an answer I just want you to think of do you think that she’s fat I mean there’s another picture where you see
Both of them in bathing suit and you can see that the body is different but she has no cite she is just different but according to the standards of today she is a fat and she’s got to be deated for that so there’s a lot of racism even you
Know for even in the tools that we use today uh to um uh to uh measure women which we shouldn’t obviously um so another picture Isabel just go scroll down yes those gymnast yes um thank you just look at them so uh you have a Simon B and you have another gymnast uh
On the side what do you think don’t answer same I just put another one this one is um uh another athlete um can’t remember the name on in the top of my head in the ice skate aani and another gymnast you see the difference but those
Ladies are going to be derogated and not even that is that for the for the bodies but even though they are great women at least it’s their their performance you know will be uh brought you know into uh into scrutiny this is why I put the picture of the last one because um
I’m sure that we have heard of um this uh this woman who I think she has been and she’s still um she’s still fighting to go back into um uh uh into the field because uh she’s a runner and um she has a lot more test
Than other women and because of that she has been um uh she has been removed from the um from the field and behind her you can see the the white women which is much thinner uh but doesn’t mean that um she’s no better they can be both the
Same but because of the body shape uh they is going this is going to be the derogatory I hope I am um saying yeah I’m saying right um so you can you can close for for a little moment uh Iselle so you we see that we see those
Uh you’ve seen those um those group and the reason why also it goes with racism is because of course you know the BMI it’s not made for uh everybody it’s not it’s not made for women particularly women it’s not made for people of color particularly uh black women which
Automatically will go into you know the obese category when they actually they are not and but there’s another thing that is going on and is that of classism so I don’t know if you heard about classism but it’s the fact that now white women so here the that’s why you
Know this insection white women because they are thinner they also have a way to differentiate themselves they um they have um they can say okay you know why why which is I mean this is the fact you know that white women are thinner than black women but now it becomes also a
Status if you look at great um celebrities you think of great celebrities or of great um uh wealthy people you will see that they usually white women and they are fer so there’s this Gap you know that is broaden that is um that’s broaden itself itself in between uh white women and
Also uh black women especially you know if they’re fat but not only that’s one thing the second thing that is going on is that you have to have the me need today to be able to stay fit so everything that you see around you will cost money which is another way you know
To allow the Gap because you need to have the latest Pelon for example that thing is not cheap whether you take the the epilc or the bike or whatever you choose that it is expensive you need to have the best vitamins in the market and those are expensive too uh you need to
Have the best protein powder and even the best uh vegan protein powder if we want to stay there they they are not cheap and then you have to eat organic that you know there’s a category a lot of people can’t afford okay and then you
Um you you can see you know this Gap going over over and over again I want to show you um a picture another picture of how this um how it is isab if you can go back to it please back to the PDF yes um not and just the one
Underneath yeah where you see the two uh ladies with the black women yes this one yes what do you see I think sometime that’s why I’m saying I’m saying I’m saying that sometime it’s very unconscious but I I think that these pictures speak for herself for itself you have two white
Women that is elegantly dressed and you have this black women is twice their size because if you look at where a position she can be twice the size I mean two those two ladies that black woman is probably twice that science but there is this distinction you know that
Is um over and over uh brought to our attention is that um fat goes with uh Blackness um what you know goes with thinness in that particular example that I wanted to show you and there’s other example where fat women are derogated and I put a picture if you want to show
It isab is the one just on top not on top of um yeah it was this one that has been changed so uh so far but you know and Jina that was a maple not not maple syrup corn syrup you know breakfast syrup but the what they want to show is that a
Black woman should be uh uh fat you know with her head scarf and um not attractive if I can say it if I can say this way um so remember I ask um I ask you why people are fat you can you can remove it isab thank
You so I’m I’m asking you and it’s an open question right now in your opinion why do you think that people are fat metabolis genetic okay so we have metabolism genetics what else can be hormonal I think yeah I think it’s help for a woman to be you know fat as she
Ages because of the estrogen you know storage around the belly is gives her strength and stability hormonal yeah horon yes absolutely and we will see we will see that um like a protect them yes especially for old the women you know after menopause you know all this fat helps to
Um uh well help to leave excuse me I think I I uh somebody was talking and I just uh I’m sorry I for I interrupt like I I was just saying that that can be a protection against attack abuse can you speak a little bit a
Little bit louder I can’t hear you hear me better a little bit louder so I was saying that it can be a protection against attack or abuse yes that yeah absolutely it’s going to be a protection and that is um this is what happened you know often
Is that women they go through trauma for example there was a there’s a feminist um a feminist her name is rockan gay uh she was thin but at 12 years old she was getting raped uh by um 12 men uh at 12 years old and she built this carass of um
By food you know she built this characters around her and now she uh because you know that was a way to protect herself uh yes so there are many people um yes there are two comments in the chat um psychological instability and comfort food okay so I I can I put um mental
Health yeah uh yeah that’s stress and mental health issues perfect correct dress and there was another one sorry I’ve missed Comfort foood oh yeah Comfort foood just just stating cause and effect that that was I just put comfort food next okay thanks low socioeconomic status yeah oops there no Eon
Make thank you so much I think you we uh you brought them in um most of them which is good so that prove what that it’s not just women particular I’m talking about women because women and girls because they are the one that are the most targeted
Sorry they are the one who are the most targeted um but there are multiple reasons why uh people are fat so it’s it’s hard you know to always imagine um that people you know will be F and will stay you know in a BMI in a reasonable BMI or along the way and
That’s actually the reason why the reason why um the body the body fluctuates and um that we have all these hormonal changes so somebody said hormonal um yeso where is it here can you put the um picture yes sorry somebody was talking yes this one because what happen is that it’s
Harder uh for especially a woman to um uh to stay on the same uh same I’m not going to say diet but to always eat the same way all the time and that is due you know because of the hormonal cycle because usually somebody talk about estrogen women from a certain day to
Another one I think it’s the one to day time they will start you know building estrogen and estrogen is um uh is what keeps the glucose down and um uh is where you probably the less hungry but then you will have your ovulation and so uh estrogen they are at the pick and
Then you have the testosterone you know that come into play as what of the project progesterone and um uh usually during the ovulation period and then you know it goes down and you are um and sorry during that ovulation period the week usually before your ovulation period you are hungry you are more
Hungry because you feel more hungry sorry because your body needs glucose you are going to menstrate it so you need more glucose but because we have have these um restriction that we have to put our body to subjection and so sometime we are going to miss the alert
The alerts that says hey I need more food I mean I mean give me more food or at least give me something you know to uh to help me you know with the glucose glucose level and we are going to um ignore those signals but when we ignore
Those signal we it’s no benefit you know to the body uh because you need it you know you sometimes we don’t understand like I just ate two hours ago I’m still hungry when we need to understand our cycle to see oh maybe I am in the place
Now where my body my body needs more progesterone okay mommy sorry I have my son right there uh when we have more Pro we need more sorry when the pro goes up so We crave more carbs you know or We crave more sweets and sometime we will forget about those
Um fluctuation this is why you know when you have things like uh BM mind coming into place or or if you have um uh oh sorry give me okay sorry have my son that is right there um okay just give me one second to do just just to
Hear from now okay please thank you um I don’t know what I was saying anymore but pretty much you know when you have more prester you have those um those Cravings that coming up that’s coming up and then what happen is that if we stay for example with the same
Type of diet or Diet you know uh in in being more um not not understanding our body and how the body works then um that can be detrimental you know for women and this is one also of the reason why the um the what is it called the diet culture or
All those diets you know they don’t they don’t usually work all the time it’s because our body fluctuates and our needs fluctuate but it’s often it’s often um not taken into consideration especially in the uh diet culture um okay you can remove you can um you can remove this thank
You just going to turn a little bit okay all right do you have any question or any comments for all what we have seen so far no okay so um um if not there’s only one another part that I I would like to talk about um and is the fatness how um
Fatness uh has an impact on uh economically for women and the reason why I want to talk about that is because uh there is discrimination here as well regarding it intellect so if you look at um people in the uh in the workplace no before I say that if um there’s this
Misconception pretty much that five um woman lack of willpower can you just give me uh one second please just give me one second thank you thank you for your your time I had to uh bring your mark to another room um so sorry about that so there’s this m
Misconception that um because people are F fact they lack and so supposedly the lack of willpower they cannot be in higher position or um gain more having a greater satary than other um other women and uh I just want to um look at the chart that um is on the slide Isabel I
Think it’s the last the last one yes um this one uh can you read it for me please just the conclusion that all educated workers in partial um in particular are penalized for their weight HS for both sexes like in charge one moreover the higher your level of Education the greater the
Penalty we found that obese men with a bachelor’s degree earn 5% less than their inter colleagues that their tener colleagues while those with graduate degrees earn 14% less obes women it is true still have it worse for them that equivalent figures are 12% and 19% obese workers in health care for
Example make 11% Less in their similar colleagues those in management roles make roughly 9% Less on average thank you so there is this um uh this int intellectual bias pretty much against fat people uh that we can see in the uh employment and now there are only so far two
Um uh wait yeah there are only two states in the United States that protect um fat people against discrimination and those two states are uh M Michigan and Washington uh in all the other states there is no uh protection against uh discrimination thank you uh um thank you
Isabel you can you can remove it okay okay so um there are other areas also of um of discrimination we can see it in uh children in travel there’s a lot of objectification of women as well for the them you to look a certain way um and
That men are also entitled to have a um uh a fit woman so to speak although um fit is not really the right word term that should be used but um my question now is how and that would be also as a conclusion is how do we go against that
How do we go against you know that phenomena that’s fat phobic fat phobia uh phenomena if you can give me anything from what you’ve returned from this lesson from this presentation identify and remove our own biases yes we have to recognize yeah recognize the biases okay identify those
Biases and yes remove them that’s one what else search for more information that we can become more educated on the subject yes education is key I think that um when we talk about things like this even when we say beauty standards I think if you were to take each one of them and
Really um do more research we will be uh very surprised of how much information we can get how much how much we can be educated on the subject so we can work on our own biases and it talks um it’s really it’s really a step identify recognize and educate I was personally
Very uh shock uh when I’ve learned about the BMI for example I’ve never thought that it was something and I don’t know why something that was eurocentric that was um uh removing you know uh WI and also people of color uh but you know
If I had to do my uh if I wanted to know my ideal way this is where I would have gone first um so education as um it’s uh indeed you know um very important anything else I have a thought yes when you when you look at to me
I look it’s like looking at all the various forms of you don’t mind me saying this the different forms of of or steps of feminism that we’ve had waves of feminism you know go across the you know the time and the bottom line really is yes I’m not against people educating
Themselves I’m not against people you know doing a whole lot of things to do that but the bottom line is and this is what I come back to and and I’m a skinny guy I’m I’m a guy who always thought he was too skinny you
Know and and got picked on because I was too skinny so and but that’s a different story but here’s the point the the the bottom line is is that that if God doesn’t have a gender if the Angels don’t have a gender then whatever the spectrum is of
Gender or people’s body shape or type no matter what it is their color their age no matter what it is as the scripture tells us it’s just the house we live in and it’s not the person who lives inside and the the to me the reality is
We have to learn when we see one another that we recognize each other for our characters for the for the human beings that live inside the house because none of us when we were born had a menu and we could decide what size and shape and
Color or anything that we were going to be and that that’s not even looking at all the problems that people have when they’re growing up and and and the severe psychological damage that happens or when people are abused and all these other factors come into play there’s so
Many factors involved here and I appreciate you being able to you know you know open up that whole Arena and look at it because it just helps us to realize if we really want to be if we really want to treat each other completely um without without gender
Bias in any way we have to be looking past the outward and looking at the inner person that’s that’s my conclusion anyway thank you I think it’s very important I I really appreciate what you said um I remember when Department was in the United States uh he made that comment um you
Know how do you I can’t remember exactly word by word but um what’s your reaction you know if you see a bunch of white of of women with short hair and you know there there’s some things going on but I think it’s the same thing
What is your reaction if you are in a meeting uh so in a movement me meeting in a meeting in the movement and you see a lot of f women what will your reaction um are you going to treat this women the same way that you will treat you would
Treat um another woman would you think that this woman uh is able to teach or would would you if that F woman is teaching would you think that what she’s saying uh as a way uh that should be taken into consideration that should yeah that is serious do you see that
Person as serious um so yes there’s a lot of things that we have to work on and um uh as as we said you know that we have to recognize and it’s hard I would say to be the same way that we cannot be color blind you see me you see me I’m
Black you can’t say I don’t see that you BL you know what I mean so um but there’s a way you know that you treat me do you treat me uh different because you will say okay I’m superior to her because I’m white you know or um oh
She’s a she’s fat so she’s black and she’s fat you know how how would you um how you how would you react and how do you approach me you know knowing these things or if you see me uh would I be left alone you know in a corner
And um nobody would talk to me because I don’t unconsciously I don’t have those criterias or would you just go and look for people you know that look uh more like you or um looks you know more serious than me because uh I don’t have the shape or I
Don’t have the size you know that you would expect for someone that is let’s say health reformer you know so I think it’s really important that we um we come in um like we we think of these things and also for women because that’s how I see I that’s the vision
That people have to F wom from to me but as a woman as well I should know that I have no moral expectation to be SE that it’s normal that my body changes and also that um I should resist somewhere somehow to become thinner uh because that’s also the societal
Expectation already women uh in general we don’t want them to take too much PL space sorry they have to remain quiet you know that’s you know the big sphere of influence is not for them but add on to that the fact that I am not shaped like you um I’m supposed to do
Everything in my power to become th so I can have um the attention uh of society of people I think we also have to realize that realize that it’s okay of course you know everything um everybody is different there is a health issue that need to that needs to be taken into
Consideration but if you are good and you are healthy because health is not only a question of food um and you have no big problems so to speak then we have to resist that pressure oops sorry I hope you can hear me we have to
Res resist that pressure um to look F at our cost there’s also been pressure for black women to have straight hair and that has led to some really bad Health circumstances because they use these chemicals to straighten their hair and now they’re finding they’re coming down with Cancers as the uterus and things
Like that yeah yeah and then I heard something about in Asian culture um and it might be other you know might be Black Culture too and I fact I know it’s black cultured too there’s this prejudice against dark darker skin in the black culture and and even in the Asian
Culture there’s I I’ve seen instances where women have used you know products to lighten Their Skin So it it’s really mean it’s and yeah and this has come from um uh about the the the different you know shade of color I don’t know do you
Saw my son you saw my my son is um my son is um lighter than me um so I’m from the Caribbeans I mean I’m I’m I was born and raised in France but my parents are from the the the the French Caribbeans and something that uh
Happened you know with slavery is that depending of your skin color your skin tone you were um assigned to certain task so the darker your skin was the um ugliest the job that you have to do would be and the lighter your skin was
The better job as a slave you will be so the darker your skin you will be um doing genital gen gen genitor work the lighter you will be uh in the house okay so imagine that is the time of the slavery but here we are you know and
Hundreds years later and still still there uh where you can be you you you can be judged you know by the color of your skin and even in some um uh position even though a darker person may have more skills than a lighter person then this lighter person
Will be chosen um instead of the darker person yeah Kya yes uh Happy Sabbath good morning I didn’t know you were from your background was from the Caribbean myself Troy I’m from the I’m a Jamaican descent and you know it brought about memories when you were talking about
Your background lighter skin they get ahead and I’ve experienced the same witnessed the same looking even back looking back now I see it even more clearer not today looking back but you know since the Midnight Cry and I’m like wow it’s not only America well we know
That but I’m just saying you you would think that coming from Jamaica where there is black people majority because you do have other races that live there but it’s it’s you know it’s a blackly sent country I’m going to put it in that terms you still see the Prejudice those who are lighter
Skin they get ahead they get the education they work work in the in the banks you know so it’s everywhere yeah yeah it’s everywhere in America you know we had our first black president but he wasn’t particularly darkskinned you know and yeah that’s and then you see that it’s still black then
Then there is the the difference between being black in a black country or a Black Island and being black you know in a more diverse country or more white Centric country eurocentric country so even a light person in a white Centric country will look black will be seen as
Black then uh the same like person in a uh um the Caribbeans are a u a black country like Africa continent um there would be those Shades you know of um differentiation between them a couple of the people the thinner people in our group posted things about how
We’re treated as thin people and it took me back I mean while you were talking even I was thinking what it was like growing up as a very thin girl you know you get compared to a 2×4 or a guy you’re just you know everybody you know
You you’re overlooked or picked down a lot because people figure you can’t fight for yourself but yeah yeah if you don’t if you don’t Feit the the criteria whether you are uh too thin or too too big um you’ll be teased um unfortunately so yeah any any other questions any comments questions
Well I think um what I got from this presentation is that for me as one person that is part of this movement I have to think about it not only forms but Spirit not only reasoning not knowledge education but experience this I have to tell myself today I need to look at
Alicia Penny or you know I can say Isabel whoever is in front of me as a person know the person not beyond the appearances I need to go and search for the person because sometimes the the other person that is from in front of me hides be behind all
These biases that we have and we tend to judge very quick at some person because oh they don’t follow the health message they fall short then they don’t know anything about the Bible they don’t they’re not educated how come they’re so fat how come they they behave in this
Way oh because they didn’t do the right work at home so we judge people in a way that um we are becoming hypocrit H Hypocrites you know like Pharisees or the publicans you know everybody that don’t go and uh dig into the body and search for the
Person it’s going to judge the person as you see it even the accent of the person even the uh the look the fa face expressions oh he’s sad oh he’s happy oh uh has a lot of kids oh wow how come he didn’t think about that um you know many
Many things the thing is that we need to this is a task to don’t stop at the forms but or at the reasoning or the knowledge but experience that today with my personal experience with everybody and thank you for the message because it was an eye opener for me thank you
Kya praise God I think it was uh as I said it’s something that is overlooked even in the left wing it’s very overlooked I found very little articles you know talking about that issue um but as we grow we know we know how is the process right you know what what we learn
Oops hey so we are supposed to learn you know we are always grow growing growing growing in knowledge the knowledge that Ellen White has here remember that chart that I think it was artment that Ellen White has here is Ellen White was very little then Paula has a
Little bit more knowledge it was not no that was Paul first though okay let me rephrase so that was Paul then you have elen white that had a little bit more knowledge okay and then there is us I know very very simplistically okay but and here is
Heaven we are here you know to continue and to progress in our understanding um there is no way that we can say we understand everything about sexism there’s no way we can say today we understand everything about equality uh because there are some subjects you know
That are very easy to see we saw it there but that all the subject you know like you don’t even think of them and this one was very important for me uh as well because as you you mentioned we have this health reform okay we are Health reformer um
But so so we have we we are Health reformer and sometimes you know we can ask things to God that are unrealistic so I don’t know if that happened by I know it happened to me I was like oh my goodness you know like I am craving
Sugar Lord you know remove that Sin from me like I’m craving sugar but and now you know I’m thinking no that’s normal that you crave sugar oh like why why do I need to uh think that it is a same like why do I put place myself in that
Situation where uh I’m going to I’m going to have crms um I am not feeling well uh just because it says you know subject your body uh don’t eat uh between uh between me when my body is asking a little bit more you know during that Ty period before ovulation you know
That that that time period before uh there’s a reason for that and um I’m not saying don’t don’t respect the health reform is not what I’m saying but what I’m saying is that I also have to listen to my body and it’s not BL black and white as it is
Written as there’s a little bit of a uh things you know that we need to to to to take into consideration and fluctuation of the body the cycle menstrual cycle is is one of them um yeah I think there was there was a question in the chat I
Hope you hear me still um that if you can send us a picture of the board if you can send it to me and I’ll send it to the group okay oh yeah sure sure sure thank you that time perod yes go ahead sorry just one last thing the time period you’re talking
About when you’re craving all those carbs and stuff and you’re just not feeling good and I can remember going through that for years they called it PMS I I didn’t ignore the need for carbs I really didn’t even think about it I would just graad popcorn or I beat a lot
Of potatoes or something like that just went with the flow and cramping and all that stuff no that wasn’t a part of my experience but imagine that time period permanently that’s what happens later when your estrogen levels drop permanently justone too and you are totally out on a
Limb that’s something nobody talks about all that suffering that the women go through every month it’s totally magnified by many times when that menopause hits and all your hormones dive and what goes along with that a lot of times is weight gain because that estrogen is protecting
You against the amount of weight gain you might suffer from so that’s why when you see much older women and and they are carrying around quite a bit of weight around their waist and stuff that’s what’s going on and society looks at them too and says you know you know wow they messed
Up but they can’t control it you know unless they get out of medication called hormone replacement therapy they can’t control any of it and that’s something women know nothing about these days so I’m just giving you a F1 y i it’sing down road yeah so everything you talked about that women younger
Women deal with on a cyclical basis it comes crashing permanently later thank you something something I’m already yes I’m already in my per menopause okay I can see it’s you in the face yes and that’s the issue you knowing that also with diet culture today is that how many things that you
See and you hear today that says fight the baby fat about you know your minle fight this is what you see on YouTube everywhere everybody is fighting fighting for that fight to be removed you know um that okay can be regulated I guess somewhere somehow but it’s there for reason and
Everything the diet culture says no way a woman is not fat and if she’s even normal but the fat is coming up do everything in your possession to have it gone and that’s that’s a big issue that’s a big issue yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah um yeah and everybody’s talking about it nowar
See advertisements all over the place about what to do about it yeah but it’s some a lot of it’s misinformation you know but yeah yeah so what can we do about the world that’s that’s a big question but really I wanted to bring that study to
Us as a movement as people who are growing and trying to better understand one another uh to to understand uh anything I mean anything you know regarding the test of the sandala to understand you know the test you know okay there’s a it’s sexism it’s gender inequality it’s the fault of democracy
But we didn’t even talk about the core value of democracy because uh in talking about those you know you have the human rights yet R rights even at that level is is not uh followed um people are oppressed because of their of their fatness and um uh that’s something to to
Consider there’s really a correlation in in between both and so that’s um that’s our that’s my prayer and that’s also uh uh I hope you know your prayer that uh uh we continue you know to grow in understanding and in learning in educating ourself in the many subjects
You know that comprises uh gender equality democracy uh sexism homophobia racism uh because we can see that there’s also intersectionality you know in between them and that we are open to change um and I think that’s how you know I would like to title this uh
Presentation um is that are we as a movement are we homophobic are we fat phobic like have we have we taken the time you know to to think of that because beauty standards are there you know to Define you know what is a hot
Girl or a hot woman uh we don’t fit the we don’t fit the criteria what are we we are nothing we are going to then suffer medically because we are going to be misdiagnosed we are going to suffer economically because women are pess because of their um their their body
Size uh we are going probably to pay more uh in travel because we taking more space you know they are we are not probably not even being taken into consideration what we are talking about because there is this thought that yes she’s fat she doesn’t she has no
Willpower so how can she be intelligent because intelligent has so much you know of the intellect yet you know she’s completely lacking or failing in terms of uh in terms of the of a body um so um uh many things you know to um to have
Into to our mind and make sure that those things you know are not coming into the movement because there’s so much we can’t do we can’t do anything you know about the world but it’s us here that we have to uh um look at and
Make sure that we are in line you know with what we believe any other question before we close we can continue to chat after otherwise so much High Spirit below the surface that we have not discovered yet about our message that’s true true that’s true um
I had sometime someone uh told me oh we always talk about equality what else do we have to learn about equality um I can tell you those that people are not treated equally there’s so much to learn there’s so much to be educated on um about it and
Um I think we have to continue to be in the path you know to see the big pictures because they are important because they are going to be part of the big test uh but also the small picture so that’s also my uh my prayer that all
Of us we continue to educate ourselves and uh to to search you know our hearts in um how we treat one another and um because that’s the six you know four and the six that’s um treat treat your neighbor as you would like to be treated so
Um yeah because we can’t bring all these things and all these biases in heaven thank you all right thank you happy Sabbath thank you K so we are going to have a last prayer um is that okay if I ask someone to pray I talk so much like someone to pray
Sure thank you so much so let’s bow and the pray dear God thank you so much for showing us the extent of your mercy and your wisdom and the loving care for us help each of us to determine in our hearts to be conscious of all the biases that are jumping in our
Heads all the time that we can recognize them call them by name and decide using all the tools that you’ve given us in our power in the brain to make decisions that lead us to Heaven bless us as we depart from each other in the name of Jesus Amen