Small Arms Primer 190: Argentine Mauser 1891 Carbine & Peru

Othais and Mae delve into the story of this classic. Complete with history, function, and live fire demonstration.

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Mauser Military Rifles of the World
Robert W.D. Ball

Argentine Mauser Rifles 1871-1959
Colin Webster

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Dan Reynolds & Antonio Cuba

Deutsche Militärhilfe an Südamerika
Jürgen Schaefer

Mauser Bolt Action Rifles
Ludwig Olson

History of the Mauser Rifle in Chile
David Nielsen

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Hi I’m OAS and this is the Argentine Mouser model of 1891 all over again this time however it’s a little carbine and if that story isn’t enough I also have something else up my sleeve but first light box with an overall length of 37 in and weighing in at just 7.2 lb this

Is a Dandy little darling compared to that giant long rifle of course it’s meant for Cavalry use it is still a Mouser action feeding five rounds from a stripper clip these being the exact same as the rifle the 765 Belgian now I cannot express enough how grateful we

Are that we get to make this show it’s a Monumental effort consuming both long hours and hard currency thankfully we only have to give up one in order to receive the other that is of course so long as you are willing to help just a few dollars a month and we’ll keep the

Documentaries coming I will not lie if every regular viewer the guys that show up for every single primer episode gave $1 a month we could hire enough help to add a whole other show but in the mean time while we’re waiting on that we’re getting a bit of help uh from our

Friends over at bastal and you can tell I’m using it cuz my stuff stuck to it having survived the Second World War bal’s uh parent company had managed to struggle along until Dr helmet clevers passing away in 1970 following which a young chemist Dr Heinrich zetler joined

The company becoming director in 1973 in 1977 facing pressure from Leverkusen bal’s operation was relocated to aham in lower Bavaria now I’ll give you the last of that history lesson next time and then of course we’ll get to explore some of the now available products uh besides

Of course this miracle oil in the meantime we could probably talk about a gun I guess last time we covered the development adoption and the mostly calm service of the Argentinian Mouser 1891 but it was this an early smokeless rifle this was a five shot bolt action

Repeater adopted by r Argentina and also purchased in Lots by Spain Bolivia and Peru the 1891 had been an evolution of the Belgian model of 1889 further refined beyond the changes made for the ottoman 1890 at the time of the 1891s adoption neither of the rifles had been

Adapted for a car Bean we have a whole episode further detailing what eventually became the model 1889 carbin for Belgium but those do not appear to have influenced Argentina given the German influence thus far it’s believed the Carabiner 1888 was the inspiration for the 1891s general layout and its

Size design and production of the carbine lagged slightly behind the rifle recall from last time the first contract signed November 4th of 1891 only covered 25,000 long rifles and 10,000 carbin were added on November 20th along with another 25,000 rifles the car beIN were priced at just 75 Fran this included

Accessories but obviously no bayonet this price fell to 7325 during renegotiation despite being requested just behind the rifles that doesn’t mean they were delivered as quickly at the time that this was signed the expected carabine would have been a shortened bayonet lless version of the first pattern of 1891 long rifle however the

Carbin weren’t uh finished on paper until 1892 and production didn’t get underway until uh late that year or maybe early 1893 this was after some changes for the rifles were ready to be put into production with that in mind it’s probably easiest if I explain what the carbine features are but just

Showing you uh this one here with a camera this gun is a lot shorter than before let’s go ahead and look at the front where things have been cut down W what do we got here we have a nose cap held by a screw it doesn’t actually

Protect the crown or anything like that of the muzzle but it does protect our front sight with very stubby winging look at that there is of course no provision for cleaning Rod because none was issued with this gun instead used to pull through was carried in the rest of

Your kit if we bring her on down we have a barrel band with no Loop whatsoever on it it is held in place by a spring though we also have well a handguard just like the rifle held by two copper wires and our rear sight this is a tea

Tiny Leaf graduated to 1,400 m and I believe this one was adapted for Spitzer a unique feature of the carving rear site is that it does lock into the folded position let me see if I can get you a clear enough angle take note there

Is a tab on the slider a notch in the base if we pull that back boy that looks unlocked to me so now we can flip this guy up although he is a little bit stiff regardless there we go always good to do on camera right now we can adjust our

Adorable little long range sight if we want to put her away there and forward I suspect this was done in order to prevent any sort of accident uh placing the carbine into its holster on the saddle pretty good idea now the action bolt everything else is the same as the

Long rifle except we have a turn down handle and at the front this gun incorporates the first of the improvements one that was applied retroactively to specifically the carbin the Locking screw this means we can no longer simply release the magazine by pressing on our button here we must take

A screwdriver and turn this guy out of lock let me see if I can get you a better look at it there’s our oblong projection a notch in the magazine body and if you take a screwdriver in my case a stripper clip and just go ahead and rotate that around eventually it will

Clear the body and you’ll be able to take the magazine out for cleaning and maintenance this kept little accidents from happening now my carbine is from the early contract so that magazine lock is basically the only Improvement there is no extension off the side of the cocking shroud although later carbin

Will have the other rifle upgrades being for Cavalry the only sling loop on the gun is here underneath the wrist behind the trigger guard this was a single point clip for a Cavalry sling that would have gone across the shoulder now functionally this is the same as the

Rifle same cartridge even so I don’t think we need an animation instead let’s get it straight into May’s little [Applause] hands St I know I’m kind of a big dude but I really love little carbin like this they’re so cute uh service and even foreign sales of the 1891 car intended

To mirror the rifles the 1891 contract was for 10,000 the March 1893 contract stipulated another 5,000 supposedly these were taken uh by Spain and then replaced with 5,000 more though it’s a little unclear as presented in Webster’s excellent book there were none in the 1895 contract but 16,000 more in the one

From August 1898 500 of these were seeded to the Republic of of Bolivia and were not replaced for Argentina 4,000 more were sent to Peru of which only 2500 were replaced now surprisingly with the adoption of the 1909 Cavalry carbine which again was longer and more of a short rifle like the

Kar98a these guys manag to stay in service perhaps better than their rifle counterparts largely they are updated topitzer rear sights although not exclusively they’re pretty hard to tell apart if I’m honest it’s the same general structure now one additional modification was made to this gun well beyond the long rifles

Which tells us that these stayed in service much more Frontline service than the rest although it was probably mostly for second line use perhaps even police it All Began again with changes made to the 1909 you see these were first fitted with the same Cavalry sling position behind the trigger just like the

1891 however they were modified to use bayonets and to be Sid slung in 1926 allowing the 1909 Cavalry to become a universal carbine the same was later expected of the old 1891 carbines which had proven more useful to have around than the long rifles and were still in

More service in March of 1931 the director general of military Arsenal signed a contract for the modification of existing 1891 Cavalry carvings they chose to add a set of bands one upper and one lower which allowed them to fit a bandet in addition the single Cavalry sling Loop was

Replaced with a set of slings on the side mirroring the earlier changes to the 1909 the guns were also refinished in a deep black at this time bayonets were recycled from the existing surplus of Remington Model 1879s the blades were shortened their oversized Rings were cut and a cross

Piece was welded on so that they would fit the available Hardware a scratchbuilt replacement bayonet was also later produced the conversion work was undertaken taken by Hispano Argentino fabria de automobiles soad anomia more commonly shortened to half daa this was to be their first forway into arms manufacturer which would soon

Expand further they were hired to convert 5,43 model 1891 carbin to the new pattern while this was accomplished it was apparently a bit slap Dash the 1909s had been converted by Fritz Verner and came out beautifully but the half daza work was frankly somewhat crude many bayonets fit poorly usually loose

And the Finish was frankly rough I don’t have an example here today but I’m fairly sure it would just be a bit heavier and otherwise shoot the same since the core action wasn’t changed and with that we’ve covered the 1891 and its variants as used in Argentina Spain and

Bolivia we also mentioned purchases by Peru recall they had acquired 16,000 rifles and 4,000 carbin in 1901 these were taken from the ongoing Argentine 1898 contract the crest on these rifles were removed and replaced with that of Peru these were likely used in two border disputes with Ecuador in 1903 and

1904 and though technically replaced in service were probably still the primary arm in the 1910 campaign of the monori region fought against Bolivia the replacement rifle by the way was the Peruvian model of 1909 essentially a German g98 chambered for a spitzer 7 65 Argentine cartridge including the

Bizarre distinction of keeping the longa vazir rear sight like Argentina introducing the Spitzer cartridge and a new rifle Peru then turned to updating their existing 1891s and this is where our show gets just a bit theoretical because there are two competing narratives on the Peruvian conversion and it’s actually not even impossible

For both of them to be true neither however have primary source data available to me that I would completely trust the big disagreement is the date the first claim is that this began in 1911 or 1912 the second is that it was done much later around 1934 otherwise the stories are similar

Mostly because the rest is immediately clear of observation of the rifles themselves like we say this one here that I have the Peruvian Mouser model of 1891 maybe 1912 let’s get in the light box with an overall length just clearing 48 and 1/2 in this thing is just like

The original 1891 Argentine until we look at the weight which has jumped up to just over 9 lb that’s likely thanks to a much heavier Barrel otherwise the rifle should be fairly familiar as it is a single stack magazine feeding five rounds of 765 Mouser Spitzer this time

From a stripper clip however our rear sight is a little weird in updating the rifles to SP fitzer proof found that the barrels were fairly worn likely from a combination of poor maintenance and rough use uh they were used repeatedly for training instead of buying new rifles new barrels and updated Spitzer

Rear sites were purchased from Switzerland specifically schera industry gazelle shaft also known as Sig fun fact all the way back into the 1930s Sig was often displayed like this with what I’m assuming is not a j but a fancy German I which is why you see it marked as such

On the Peruvian barrels however the conversion itself seems to have been done in Peru since their standard rifle used the longa vazir when they made the change on the 1891s the same feature was carried over to keep training and handling the same since I have one here

Let’s get a look at how this diff from a standard 91 now the back half of this gun is identical to the Argentine until we get right up to this rear site and then down the barrel itself which is a very beefy boy as a matter of fact you

Can see where it was stepped down in order to be able to take the original bayonet that is very thick all the way back we have a driftable front sight uh very tall and proud and easily readed and uh well actually the rest of this is standard Hardware the original bayonet

Lug is the same the cleaning rods the same although this is the soft steel version and if we come on back midband is the same all that goodness right here is where we have a little inaccuracy on my particular rifle this handguard which doesn’t even color match is supposed to

Come all the way up to this band it’s clear that this is an Argentine long handguard that has been modified to attempt to fit this rifle and almost made it the method by which it attaches is correct however a single copper wire near the front and at the back it’s

Actually uh dovetailed Up Under a Groove set on on the front of the site basee this is a carryover from the 1909 rifle and how it fits its handguard so if you adopt the site you might as well adopt the handguard fitment use those same components the rear sight is of course

The German longa vazer which is uh run from 400 all the way up to 2,000 M it is symmetrical so without bopping anything it’s the same on both sides and you have to press both buttons in order to get her going and once you do you should have an alternating button option so

Right now the right side is proud if I press that I can move by I believe 50 m and then if I press the other side I can move by another 50 m that way you can carefully walk in your aim without overshooting pun intended being a proper

Peruvian contract rifle it would have had the Peruvian Crest at one point you can barely make it out here because these were heavily refinished when the barrels were f fitted almost all are faded or almost gone like this is now if we look at the barrel itself we can see

Our Sig markings SJ G or what I’m told is a very dramatic I all right I know what you guys are all thinking and the answer is yes I did let May shoot this so let’s get it out on the Range for this is so weird Okay anyway apparently

These long rifles weren’t everything that Peru needed because there are also a fair representation of card beans in the market as well these were made by shortening the long rifles and were also fitted with new barrels and rear sights like the long guns we’re not 100% sure

Of when these were created or how many were made for that matter I sincerely hope that this episode shakes out some more data and we get to redo it someday now with all the hardware covered let’s discuss service life once more because this gets weird overall it appears that

These updated Peruvian 1891s were intended for Reserve in police duty it’s extremely unlikely that they saw combat the only likely candidate would be the letia war against Colombia but that happened in 1932 and 33 so only possible if they were converted beforehand unlike some suggestions of 1934 the original

Mouser 1891 plus some updates didn’t see much in the way of combat with Argentina either but it seems a few were involved in fighting between Paraguay and Bolivia now the latter we understand they bought rifles straight out of the Argentine contracts Paraguay however is more unusual to my knowledge they did not

Officially purchase the 1891 instead they had actually bought the Mouser model of 1895 these were apparently in 7 mm Mouser which is confusing because when they later adopted an updated rifle the model 1907 which is very very similar to the Peruvian 1909 by the way

When they adopted this it was in 765 mm not 7 it seems that over years of strife Argentina had been secretly supplying their neighbor with 1891 mousers this was done quietly because Argentina was trying to woo both Paraguay and its own adversary Bolivia at the same time a

Delicate Balancing Act for sure and one that many used to explain why so many of the 1891s lack crests of any kind like mine we saw last time ground right off and clearly a different finish the possibly apocryphal story is that an Argentine crested rifle was found in the

Hands of paraguayan forces by their Bolivian opponents this caused a kurur fuffle that resulted in Argentina ordering that all rivals that left government service have their Crest ground off supposedly this was rescinded sometime later for reasons and that’s why model 1909s which were surplused later aren’t ground off the same way it

Seems more likely to me that those guns given to Paraguay or others were Ground at the time that they were given away and the 1909 wasn’t handed out to any of these secretive allies but I cannot say for sure heck I don’t even know when the rifles were handed over suggestions

Range from The paraguayan Liberation revolution of 1904 to the paraguayan Civil War of 1911 or the second one of 1922 or even as late as the choco war in which Bolivia and Paraguay faced off usually with their more updated mousers but but both potentially could have been

Carrying 1891s in reserve roles sadly we might not ever learn the hard truth of the ground off Crest as the whole point seems to have been to not tell anyone what was going on let’s finish things up by checking back in with the father of the Argentine maer them Pablo richeri

Was appointed director of arsenals in 1898 then to Army Chief of Staff as a full coronal in 1899 he began a major reform of the Argentine Army which became the standard Beyond World War II in 1900 he became minister of war in 1904 he was promoted to Brigadier

General and in 1910 a division General he served as a military Observer during World War I and retired from the Army in 1921 in 1934 he was promoted to Lieutenant General he passed away in 1936 okay we made it folks which means we can now take the time to ask May what

It’s like handling both well not this guy at all but rather this little carbine and this big old heavy barrel Peruvian 1891 SL whatever let’s go see may all right once more we’ve made room for may we did and that doesn’t take a lot of space for this little guy God I

Love it this little carbine has turned more heads than anything we’ brought in in a while it really has so what’s it like let’s let’s get the ergonomics down go straight into it coming from the long rifle how does this feel fantastic it really does feel amazing to go from what

Was a fairly frankly head heavy and long Mouser style rifle to this guy like it’s automatic difference and feel like I I wanted to feel how it would might be to run with this guy just to kind of give a test with it okay so you’d rather carry

This around definitely there is that and then good solid length on it the balance point is right at the mag practically yeah it’s way better than what it was um I mean no in my pistol grip but actually I really like these little um slings that fix slings that they have

Underneath it kind of gives me a solid place to purchase up against with my pinky you just the right handshape for that exactly you probably not so much you probably Loop over a little that as ideal yeah that’s fair um com height felt pretty decent overall I was just

Pretty jazzed actually to get this this style of rifle or uh carbine again because it reminds me of our Serbian 1908 that we got to have before that boy was amazing that’s true this is not that though no it’s semi pistol grip St it’s not the Spanish Mouser 1895 either no

But the 1895 I think takes cues from this one I believe a lot of firearm kind of the Mouser Branch borrowed from the K 888 and then became this and then everything else sort of copied this at least all those snubnose designs which I I actually kind of love I love the

Snubnose mousser carbin they look really cute it’s also not our sweet boy no I know you like I think that might be slightly longer too it might be not this the yeah so I’m thinking about like this actually feels pretty dang good that’s pretty petite yeah uh but no when this

Came in um I it was shipped in and uh one of the ladies at the FFL and then several of the guys over at Friday night when when we get together and I just happen to have it with me that day right uh they’re all going oh oh wow and by

The way they’ve probably seen a dozen of them in the gun show but they’ve never bothered to pick one up and so oh it it seems like it’s if you’re just looking at at a rack it’s it just seems kind of a little I guess unremarkable Maybe only

When it’s in profile that you kind of for me profile really does a huge thing on it because you see that snubnose front and then you see just everything else combine you go oh wait there’s a lot of potential with this guy they’re very nice the carbin are very rarely

Sporterized in the US I think a lot of people realized how handy they were just the way they are yeah that’s awesome but also still not the most desirable collectible in the US market like Argentine guns just kind of hide in this blind spot so okay well don’t say that

Bruno likes those so now he’s already got one okay uh all right so it’s lighter it’s got better balance how’s that turned down bolt handle is that treating you any different honestly action is just as smooth but the co on close doesn’t really feel as

Bad not stiff no it’s not as bad the spring might not be as fresh as this other one that we were shooting maybe I like how used it is okay and then it puts you just ahead of the trigger which I think frankly is perfectly fine you

Sweep back to it not as good some guns bit better than others yeah I’d say it’s still pretty decent um otherwise I mean the flag safeties actually if anything this one feels a little bit worn it’s a little stiffer that gun actually required some work on my part huh

Because the safety was snagging I had to kind of get a little file out and clean up the burs because again the we talked about this last episode The argentinians like to they like to fall out of uh that engagement surface for I don’t know why

But for some reason they really like to maybe they aren’t as uh maybe people shouldn’t be buying them as much though oh yeah they’re awful stay away um and then I I love the rear sight this petite little rear site that goes with it perf for the Carby and then I love the

Feature that you kind of pointed out how it kind of locks into place yeah that’s neat yeah it’s cute perfectly cute idea um and then I guess the only other thing really is just that maybe the handguard kind of fits a little bit better in terms of it just it’s almost right there

With a barrel band it is kind of weird how it stops just behind it this isn’t like a reproduction no I think that’s correct okay I don’t know if it was fitted later it might be a replacement but the tiny handguard makes a lot more sense to me on the tiny carbine where

You don’t have a banet you’re just grabbing it to move it you don’t necessarily need the full handguard God I can’t get over this length and just this weight feel this kind of feels like almost like one of those little kids trainer rifle things that they would you

Pass to Johnny here you go kiddo so you shoulder this up yep and you pull the trigger how was the trigger on this one versus the last one very very smooth I like the trigger on this one a lot actually I I think something went up with this 1891 I don’t think it

Got a fair representation last time that’s fair I think there’s something funky with this trigger that’s why I said I couldn’t I didn’t know if it was just the individual or if it was as a whole because from what I understand internally pretty dang spot on for this

Guy now with all that weight off the gun recoil miserable um it was a it was a lot but the weird thing is is I don’t think it seemed like on video it was climbing that bad but it did feel like there was substantial recoil to this

Yeah how’s that butt plate did you feel like you’re getting beat up like a Bertier I didn’t get any sort of bruising or anything like that but it did kind of you never get bruising well no I mean that’s what I’m well I’m trying to think like the the air service

Rifle when I was firing that one I got a tiny little you’ve got May’s been bruised twice in this show yeah the air service rifle mag dump and the te a which gave her like a nickel size little you would think it’ be black and blue

But it was just a little bit of a thing yeah um but but no it it just it just felt like there was a lot of impact for the shoulder and again when I was actually shooting I think I was holding it well enough that the climb wasn’t bad

But in the in the high speeded I really tried to get let it kind of just see what it would do and it got pretty up there I kind of enjoyed the recoil on this one um enjoyed it well when I when I shot it I expected not maybe Bertier but I

Expected close is somewhere in the vicinity of a Bertier or Mosen m44 or an Austrian 18 9 5 stutson or something like that oh stutson that kicks butt in 8X 50 not 8X 56 okay and I found this to actually be a little more pleasant than those not much more but it exists

Somewhere in the spectrum between the soft shooting 6.5 Swedish carbine short rifles and say an 8X 50 Austrian mon licker I think there it’s somewhere in that space more to the 8X 50 side I found it to be actually more controllable than I expect I wouldn’t

Say it was pleasant and it threw a fireball worse than I thought it would oh it was a great Fireball yeah but I thought it was okay okay what did you think I mean I think it was just a a bit heavy on the side of moderate was it

Joke was it enough for that you felt like you would prefer to have the long rifle God no okay I’d take this all day long how was your grouping very very tight it was actually it was probably one of my best groupings I think with a rifle and yet no semi- Pistol Group

No well that’s what I was saying like the false one that this creates is actually pretty good yeah I like it it feel it’s on I say that that’s just enough like honestly maybe they didn’t need semi- pistol grips maybe they just need a little bit of a nubb right there

Just enough for me to push up against so huh yeah and overall glowing review on this guy for me okay so we we like this yes all the way into Great War usable right oh I can’t see why not okay yeah I think I think that’s there as

Pretty dang good it is a testament to the 1891 by the way that it would you know we get the Lael and by World War I we’re going you can use it but God you know right the 1891 you could issu this in a World War I setting not that it was

There at all but in that sort of setting we’re talking about we’ve gone all the way into the 19s this is still feeling very competitive yeah it definitely is I’m not feeling like I would go up against the Mouser 98 and not be able to come

Out on top all I’d have to do is be better at ging and pulling the trigger mhm it doesn’t feel like the gun’s going to fail me against the Mouser 98 right I feel like there are very few things that if I were handed instead of that like if

I were told you were going to get this you know 1891 carbing but now we’re giving these instead I feel like there are very few things that I’d be like oh great I would prefer that over it because it’s actually it’s a pretty solid carbine you’d actually have to be

Offered another carbine of some sort or a semi-automatic rifle or something for this to well obviously yeah totally different category though right okay so um let me make sure I’m grabbing the right thing here who the back that one’s easier to spot with that long of vazir

Rear sight yes we now have the Peruvian 1891 uh [ __ ] on close mhm other than the fact that the handguard is just a itty bit shorter about maybe an eighth of an inch Too Short okay uh it is correct in its configuration okay so let me get

This into your hands all right feels like it’s been sanded uh yeah that gun I’m not sure so the thing about the the Peruvian stocks are very interesting I believe they were made specifically for these guns when they were updated it’s like really fine sandpaper the Peruvian stocks don’t seem to be

Original 1891 stocks they they appear to have actually been recut when they were refinished and they all seem to have differences and differences yeah um I don’t I’ve only handled two but both of them are kind of textured like that so I’m not sure if they were not as

Finely finished because they were an auxiliary weapon I do remember this while handling I was like I don’t like the feel of this it kind of makes my skin curl it may also be that they were soaked in oil at some point I’m not really and they dried out really sadly I

Mean I I don’t know but you are right there is sort of a wood difference and a and a finish difference it’s just not real wood okay so other than uh setting off your weird you really there’s that one cider brand that has the fuzzy can May doesn’t like the fuzzy can yeah

Black Widow yeah she doesn’t like the can at all I can’t handle it it’s a delicious drink can’t touch the can to save my life on the Spectrum yeah um so aside from the feels on that trying to get over it uh it it really

Does feel a lot like our 1891 uh long rifle that we handled previous episode here it is I can’t say there are any remarkable differences real quick shouldered it real quick okay okay feel the weight feel the weight all right don’t worry about the S just feel the weight no other than the

Fact that that’s nice and smooth and not all weird that feels heavier is that supposed to be heavier which one feels heavier that one feels heavier yeah okay okay good it’s got heavier barel all right does it stand out uh when it handed back to back yes when I was on

Range I didn’t notice okay what about the balance point almost have to go further forward a little bit a little further forward Just a Touch not not much though and then obviously long of Zer rear sight yeah so outward appearance wise uh those are the major differences you could

Probably just gather just from immediately being handed it and looking at it yeah okay that site stands out quite a bit sure and then we go to actually using it okay the action on this one I’m assuming is not in the best condition simply because it was um a

Little difficult to I had to baby it a bit because I remember like at one point you know an extra round flew out or it got stuck improperly like it just wasn’t cycling rounds very cleanly the interruptor kind of let it fly one time or feed lips let one fly one time I

Don’t know that we have that in the footage and then the ejector was soft to the point that we actually swapped them so at the moment the ejector for my firearm well they both belong to me but the ejector for that one’s in there I need to actually order a replacement now

That we’re talking about it okay there you go um you’re welcome for reminding the ejector spring had gotten I don’t know just worn down and it just wasn’t putting a lot of pressure down sitting there with the bolt the bolt would bring it back but then it would just sit there

Kind it yeah just like and these guns usually show signs of Prior pitting or other problems under a deep reblued bluing uhhuh um so they are very much a SL not slap Dash because the sights seem to be fitted properly they’ve had new stocks on them MH but

They are just sort of like they must have gotten roughed up and then reced and it kind of shows a little bit yeah just in terms of the action how it feels now when I actually fired it mhm the the target hits were pretty solid how was

The trigger on this one then um you know what’s kind of interesting I’m I’m sitting here poop talking the action I’ll say the uh um the trigger was actually pretty smooth on this one I think it may have even been smoother than the carbine yep which is saying something considering

The proven had the nicest break it was just go yeah yeah so what I think is going to be a horrible condition rifle it actually ended up hitting paper pretty your grouping was much better than the 1891 normal which again trigger issues yeah um would you

Say that was the trigger or would you blame it on the long visier site that one is kind of nice to look down because it is like a railway almost like you’re just kind of like looking down it like it it pretty much does draw the eye now

Granted not great for how much your vision is blocked by it I would say yeah the long of his ear is one of the sites where it’s actually kind of comfortable target shooting yes you had no problems with it on paper right no how much would

You love to have that site with people running around shooting at you at different points in Your Vision oh it’s great it’s fun just make sure they don’t get behind any of the wings of the of the RAC trck there yeah just wipe out your peripheral but I mean yeah that being

Said just for target shooting not too bad okay and then any particular impression of that heavy barrel because that is a chunky mother I mean aside from just obvious that it’s heavy I The Recoil honestly didn’t feel like it was mitigated much more by comparison yeah

I’d say it’s probably almost dead on so I can’t say it did much other than just shooting the five rounds that I did it did I’m not shooting like 50 rounds maybe after 50 they’ make a difference but five rounds with it not a huge difference between that and the 90 the

Argentine 91 fi so if you had to choose between the two the Argentine long rifle or the bruan long rifle well crap uh can I disregard the trigger of of course we if we took the entire if we took the trigger group out of this one and the

Bolt out of this one and put it in that long rifle it end it would the long rifle would shoot yeah I mean sure take the turn down who cares the long rifle would end up shooting as smooth as this in the trigger know then I would think

That yeah I would definitely take the Argentine yeah yeah okay just because it’s it’s clearly uh what about Peruvian versus carbine well carbine doesn’t really have a compe what if I told you there were Peruan Ian really interesting they were cut Downs it was just this it clearly looked

Like somebody had made this uhhuh and then come along later and cut it down and it would still have the long of is AAR site yes and they didn’t change the site it’s a short it’s a short rifle length I didn’t really bother to get one

The I want to try that we know even s funny they know there’s even less to speculate on when it comes to the carbin you know I mean there’s there’s very little we know about the carbin let alone this so I kind of love let them

Sit until more hard data shows up how do how do they think they shoot with Al long ofir if they didn’t change the sights how do you think it did for accuracy okay it’s probable that whatever role they were in they weren’t meant to be used Beyond 400 yards or so

And therefore why would you change it when the zero is going to work across you know it’s a flat shooting Spitzer it’s gonna have sure you’re not wrong that sounds awesome to me though I need to try that yeah Fair okay anyway um um I think that’s really

Got us covered right anymore um nothing else super remarkable about it I guess I can’t really think of anything else to add to it all right well that’s three 1891s in the bag and all on Range woo now for this episode we did not have any executive producers it’s true and uh no

One wanted to be named on their laner so we actually get to roll right into our credits well if anyone is curious about the executive producer thing um olun show.com go to the contact form and you can pop us a inquiry there yeah it’s like a onetime super payment to get an

Episode Done true and I can kind of give you a short list of what we’re working on if you’d like to kind of pick where you’d like to put your money there have been some people especially when it came to like the Colt 1911 episode we had

People who specifically were like I want that one that one all right well thank you all for joining us have a good one thanks guys Alpha has headed up the revolver project which I want to remind everybody about again if you go to revolvers docn ar.com the most complete index of drawings for revolver patents ever to exist uh Danny from Cody was texting me about something and I sent him a link over there and I

Was like oh yeah we got it over in the index and he was like I haven’t looked at this a while oh my God yes and I went I know and he goes this is an insane resource so then Nicholas comes over and she gives him a pie and he’s looking at

The cookies and I can’t remember what was H what was said and you’re like well that’s got spray paint on it he goes what you’re like I couldn’t get the color right with normal baky so I just spray painted them so don’t eat those and he looks down at the

Pie cuz I was like in that moment I went he’s going to go home and throw that thing in the garbage and you saw it too you’re like there’s no very pain in the P perfect at everything guy who was always right the antagonist is the guy that’s like practically wetting himself

While still holding it together was weding himself that one episode going down the wave that’s true and yet he still holds in there and does what he supposed to do as a man right which is why his crew respects the hell out of him they’re like yeah that guy’s our

Leader because he is he he is like us he he’s terrified he’s doing his [ __ ] anyway he’s a man my favorite character is the antagonist because I I identify with him way more he’s just white knuckling it the whole time just being like I just got to do this or else I’m

Weak you know you’re going I feel you man like and of course our arm although in this case much like many Originals this one tends to kind of Snick and the place right there which I’m not sure if was intentional or is a product of being

Banged along the way however if it stays in this position and you draw the pistol gravity will not free this arm to fall and if you fire it